S1 E5 From FBI Agent to Advocate for Change: Katherine Schweit's Mission to Stop the Killing

Season 1 Episode 5

From FBI Agent to Advocate for Change:
Katherine Schweit’s Mission to Stop the Killing

In this episode, Katherine Schweit, a retired FBI agent, shares her journey from journalism to law enforcement, highlighting her 20-year career with the FBI. She discusses her transition from a prosecutor in Chicago to an FBI agent, detailing the rigorous training and diverse cases she handled, including national security and terrorism. Katherine reflects on the impact of the September 11 attacks on her career and her subsequent role in Washington, DC. She explores her work post-retirement, focusing on reducing gun violence and mass shootings, and her involvement in creating the “Stop the Killing” podcast. Katherine emphasises the importance of ethics in law enforcement and the need for public awareness and reporting of suspicious behaviours to prevent violence. Her dedication to advocacy and education continues as she writes books and consults on security issues, aiming to make a significant impact on public safety.

 

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Epidemic by ES_Deepstar – Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen


S1 E4 Comparing UK and US Police Work: Tales from the Force

Season 1 Episode 3

The Emotional Toll of Policing: A Story of Dedication and Sacrifice

In this episode, two retired police officers from the US and the UK, Anthony McNeil and Steven Keogh, share their experiences and perspectives on the evolution of policing over the past few decades. They discuss the impact of technology, social media, and politics on the profession, contrasting their early days on the force with the current environment. The conversation highlights the challenges faced by modern officers, the importance of communication skills, and the differences in policing practices between the two countries. They also share personal anecdotes, including their children’s involvement in law enforcement and the changing societal attitudes towards police work.

 

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S1 E3 The Emotional Toll of Policing: A Story of Dedication and Sacrifice

Season 1 Episode 3

The Emotional Toll of Policing: A Story of Dedication and Sacrifice

In this episode, we welcome Steven and Anthony, two former police officers with extensive careers in law enforcement. Steven recounts his early days handling robbery and rape cases, sharing the challenges and experiences that came with those roles, and how he found his true calling in murder investigations. Anthony provides a detailed account of his career, discussing his transition to a desk job due for the last five years of his career due to a severe health scare, a role that Anthony found frustrating and unfulfilling. Although, Anthony recounts a poignant moment where he realised the impact he could still make in this role, where he was able to help a troubled young boy turn his life around.

The conversation then turns to Anthony and Steven’s eventual retirements and how they channelled their passion for law enforcement into new ventures, including writing, television and podcasting.

This episode offers a fascinating glimpse into the lives of two dedicated police officers, highlighting their unwavering commitment to justice and education, and offering listeners an in-depth look at the realities of careers in law enforcement and the enduring impact it has had on their lives.

 

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S2. Francesca's Scottish Tales: From the Magical Kilmartin Glen to Hiking the Great Glen Way

S2.
Francesca’s Scottish Tales:
From the Magical Kilmartin Glen to Hiking the Great Glen Way

Welcome to the fifth episode of Season two.

In this episode Dawn welcomes Francesca, founder of Tremula Network and host of the podcasts Seize Your Adventure and On The Outside. Francesca shares her love for Scotland’s Kilmartin Glen and the Great Glen Way, detailing her experiences and the historical significance of these areas. She discusses her journey through Kilmartin Glen, inspired by a fantasy book, and her hike along the Great Glen Way, highlighting the beauty and tranquillity of these routes. Francesca also talks about her work in podcasting, the Outdoor Podcast Club, and being guest editor for Pod Bible.

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 Introduction to Francesca and her work podcasting work.

9:09 Francesca’s Fascination with Kilmartin Glen

16:09 Exploring Kilmartin Glen and Dunadd Hill Fort

25:30 Francesca’s Long-Distance Hike Experience and Loch Ness Boat Tour

34:20 Tremula Network Festival Announcement

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Dawn [0:00 – 1:30]: Welcome to another episode of Scottish Digest. In this episode, we’ll be speaking to Francesca from the podcasts seizure adventure and on the outside, who is also the founder of Tremula Network. And she also runs the outdoor podcast Club, which Scottish Digest is proud to be part of. And she will be talking to us about our favourite places in Scotland, specifically the Kilmartin Glen area and the great Glen Way. Before we hear from Francesca, let’s find out where the areas are that we will be talking about today. So, the Kilmartin Glen, according to Wikipedia, is an area in Argyle, located between Oban, where I grew up, Loch Guilphead, where I lived for the first couple of years of my life, and is just over a two hour drive northwest of Glasgow. And there’s the great Glen Way, which, according to Highland Dot gov dot UK, is a 75 miles or 120 kilometre walking route that stretches from Fort William in the south west to Inverness in the north east, taking in Ben Nevis, Britain’s highest mountain and sections of the caledonian canal. Now let’s hear my chat with Francesca about her visits to these areas. So, hello, Francesca. Welcome to the podcast.

Francesca [1:30 – 1:33]: Hello. Thank you very much for having me.

Dawn [1:33 – 1:38]: Oh, it’s an absolute pleasure. Can you tell us a bit more about you and your background?

Francesca [1:39 – 3:03]: I can indeed. So I guess for your listeners, they might be interested in knowing that I too am a podcaster and audio producer. So I have a small network called Tremula Network and we really focused on podcasts which are to do with outdoors adventure and particularly the unheard stories within that space. So slightly less about the. The big first and the macho stories and a bit more about the everyday adventures and the things that might resonate with a lot more people, essentially. And, yeah, in terms of myself, I am quite adventurous and do quite a lot of hiking and a bit of long distance running and this kind of thing. And that, as a lot of people would probably recognise, includes things like doing the three peaks when I was a bit younger and that kind of thing. So one of the. One of my connections to Scotland, going and doing the Ben Nevis when I was 19, I think young, that’s an achievement. Yes, I do have a big story about the first one of the three peaks that I did when I was, uh, seven years old and I did Snowden. Don’t necessarily have to go into that, though, because it was, uh, going up, down and around Snowden when I was seven years old.

Dawn [3:03 – 3:06]: Pretty fit then, at seven. Be sore.

Francesca [3:07 – 3:16]: Yeah, I mean, I remember being very, very, like, sore footed afterwards. Uh, so, yeah, God.

Dawn [3:17 – 3:21]: So what tell me about. You’ve got two podcasts, haven’t you? Tell me about them as well.

Francesca [3:21 – 3:57]: Yeah, so two podcasts of my own. So one of them is called seizure adventure. That was my OG podcast. And, yeah, that’s very specifically about people with epilepsy that do adventure sports. That does come from personal experience. I was diagnosed in 2015. Had to think about that. So a little while ago now, and luckily I’m doing quite well with it. I haven’t had any proper seizures for about six or seven years. So since, oh, longer since 2015, getting on for nine years now.

Dawn [3:57 – 4:01]: So at the time you were diagnosed, that was the last time you had the market?

Francesca [4:01 – 4:13]: Yeah, I was lucky enough to get medication that worked quite, quite quickly for me. So, yeah, that was my first foray into podcasting, speaking to other people.

Dawn [4:13 – 4:19]: It’s a great idea for a topic. And the title is clever as well. Seizure events. Very, very clever.

Francesca [4:19 – 5:06]: I can’t take credit for that. That was my boyfriend that came up with that one. And he reminds me every single time, it’s really good. But I do love a pun, podcast name. So, yeah, anything. Anything. That’s a pun I do love. And then the second one is a little bit more outdoors and adventure and countryside and, like, that kind of thing in general, but thinking about, like, outdoors culture a bit more and the types of news stories that are happening there. And specifically, I try to speak to people and get panels of various different voices within the outdoor space, so we get lots of opinions and different stories.

Dawn [5:06 – 5:21]: And you also mentioned that you’re also the founder of the Tremulina network, and you run the Outdoor podcast club, which is Scottish Digest is part of. Why did you decide to set up the network and the club as well?

Francesca [5:22 – 6:26]: Yeah, well, I know that, as you know, being a solo podcaster can be quite hard at times. And I think that the outdoors podcast club was just a way of connecting with a community of people rather than doing one to one calls. After I started my first podcast, I actually started working in podcasting over the pandemic period. And so I been a baptism of fire in terms of learning the skills to do remote podcasting and this kind of thing, and specifically outdoors podcasting. Taking, like, the remote recording skills out into the field can be a little bit tricky as well. So, yeah, the podcast club was my way of kind of like, sharing those skills in a quite accessible way. And like I say, building a community of people that are all working on really good shows, essentially just trying to kind of amplify them and make them as good as they can be, including my own. I learn a lot from teaching, so.

Dawn [6:27 – 6:40]: Yeah, you do. And every month, if you’re part of the club, Francesca does a presentation for you and, you know, you go on a call with her and you really, I’ve learned a lot from, from yourself. So it’s been, yeah, I’m glad I’m part of the network.

Francesca [6:40 – 6:43]: Very, very glad to have you contacting.

Dawn [6:43 – 6:48]: With other people that are in similar situations and getting that advice and help. It’s been really beneficial.

Francesca [6:48 – 6:49]: Yeah.

Dawn [6:49 – 7:01]: And, yeah, and youre always there to just help with any little questions people have got. So anybody out there listening that’s got their own podcast for outdoor podcasts? That’s the one. Francesca’s the one for you.

Francesca [7:02 – 7:09]: Thank you. Yes. Yeah. My mind is very preoccupied by podcasting most of the time, so.

Dawn [7:10 – 7:15]: And you’re also the editor for a pod Bible. Tell us about that as well.

Francesca [7:15 – 8:14]: Yeah. So pod Bible is a magazine all about podcasts and it is just coming up to five years old, actually. So it might be five years old when this goes out. So it’s been around for quite a long time. OG podcasting magazine in the UK and, yeah, we basically write reviews for podcasts and recommendation lists and that kind of thing. We interview lots of podcasters and last year I was really lucky to actually be a guest editor on one of the issues of the magazine. I’ve got that very proudly in my office, just the hard copy of the magazine, which I was the guest editor of. And yeah, the outdoors podcast club features in that. And we had the recommendations from all of you and I think, oh, what was it? There was a true crime podcast, which you suggested, which was really good. Is it?

Dawn [8:14 – 8:15]: It was real.

Francesca [8:16 – 8:25]: Real. I was going, I had unreal in my head and I was like, that’s a different one. Entirely real. That’s the one. It’s a really, really nice, true grime one.

Dawn [8:25 – 8:40]: So just pulls you in. I thought we just hooked. Yeah, yeah. But that was nice. And I’ve got that magazine, the little magazine as well. The little original. Yes. I’ve kept that too. It’s like, it’s so cute. It’s just a dinky thing. It’s lovely.

Francesca [8:40 – 8:46]: Yeah, yeah. It’s a six size, so that really, really kind of like quarter of a page. I love it.

Dawn [8:46 – 8:52]: But it’s packed, packed full of information and you can get it online as well, can’t you can still read it online too.

Francesca [8:52 – 8:53]: Yeah, you can indeed.

Dawn [8:53 – 9:08]: Yeah. So it’s there for energy all right, so now we’ve found out all about you, let’s get down to business. So we’re here to talk about your favourite places in Scotland. So can you tell us where it is?

Francesca [9:09 – 10:24]: So, my number one place in Scotland is the Kilmartin Glen area. So it’s in Argyle, the west coast of Scotland. And, yeah, the reason that I like it is a little bit convoluted, to be honest with you. I don’t know how often you get this, but I actually was obsessed with a fantasy book when I was younger, and it is not a certain wizarding series. It’s actually a book called the White Mare that was set in the Killglen, set in the Kilmartin Glen area during the kind of like, roman invasion of Scotland. So that’s the first century ad and, yeah, it has, like, druids and priestesses and fights against romans and all of this kind of stuff. And, yeah, that’s kind of like how I was introduced to that area of Scotland, essentially. And it’s a really good place for that kind of fantasy setting because it has so much history going backwards. There’s, like, neolithic stone circles and carvings and this kind of thing. So, yeah, really lovely area I see.

Dawn [10:24 – 10:36]: Coming from all the highlands and argyle areas and I hadn’t. I don’t know about that area. I’ve never visited that area. So it was fun. I was like, yes. When you said argyle, I was like, yes. And then you said where? And I was like, oh, no.

Francesca [10:38 – 10:55]: It does seem to be quite a hidden, hidden place. Yeah. I don’t know. Like. Like I said, a very convoluted route into finding it for myself. But, yeah, I would say everybody definitely go and visit. It’s got a lot packed into that little glen. Definitely.

Dawn [10:55 – 10:58]: So you sent me over some photos?

Francesca [10:58 – 10:59]: Yes.

Dawn [10:59 – 11:08]: Yeah, Ken, they’ll obviously will show them on YouTube, but can you just talk about them and the ones that relate to Kilmartin and your time there?

Francesca [11:09 – 11:20]: Yeah. So I sent you over a couple of photos from when I went on a trip to meet one of the. Another podcaster within the Outdoors podcast Club, which is Cathy from the Wild for Scotland podcast.

Dawn [11:21 – 11:23]: I didn’t even recognise Cathy.

Francesca [11:23 – 12:24]: Yeah, no, but it was one of the people that we interviewed for the podcast. I think it was the fourth series. So, yeah, we were doing some interviews for the fourth series of that one and I convinced her to go to the Kilnbarton Glen area and, yeah, we met up with this woman called Heather who does history tours around the area and she was telling us all about some of the kind of like the, like I said, the stone carvings and standing stones. So this photo in particular, there’s like a layer of rock and you’ve got a little bit of heather just like poking up in the foreground and then behind you can see that there’s me in my full on producer podcast mode like pointing this microphone at Heather and she is telling me a little bit about the rock that we’re standing, standing near. And this is called the ardnabracan rock, I believe.

Dawn [12:24 – 12:26]: It looks like it’s.

Francesca [12:29 – 12:32]: That sounds right. I knew it was. Yeah.

Dawn [12:33 – 12:35]: Akna Brick rock.

Francesca [12:36 – 13:32]: And this is a rock which is very flat on the ground and when you can see it, particularly if it’s been raining, it’s really clear. There’s lots of cup and ring markings on it. So those are markings that are almost exactly what they sound like. Like little indentations and then little rings within the stone. And nobody quite knows what they’re for. But we do know that they go back a long way. So I think it’s about 5000 years. Some of those markings can go back. And Heather’s the person to speak to in terms of a bit more about the history and stuff. And she told me, told me a lot whilst we were standing there and looking at them. But yeah, really, really interesting to just go and see and wonder how long that’s been there and what people were meaning when they were carving them.

Dawn [13:33 – 13:35]: It’s a lovely picture. Was that Kathy that took that one?

Francesca [13:35 – 13:42]: It was, yeah, yeah. Kathy did all of the ones that were the good pictures I sent you.

Dawn [13:42 – 13:50]: It’s beautiful. So the other one, is this actual stand in stone one as well? Is that in the same place?

Francesca [13:50 – 15:17]: It is not far away, so it’s still within the glen. But we did have to get in a car to kind of like go between them. So you could probably walk it if you were really adventurous within a day. But certainly I’d suggest a car if you’re doing lots of the visits in a day. This one I do know is called the Nevalaki stones. So I think this is the south Nevalaki stones and they are your stereotypical standing stones. So they’re really quite tall. I think they’re about like seven, seven or eight foot. So me being five foot tall, it towers over me quite a lot. And they are just in this field that’s like a farming field, you know, and you’re walking up to them and there’s several of them in the field and you’ve got lots of lichen on the stone and this kind of thing. And in the picture, you can see again, Heather being like the very good tour guide and, like, pointing and telling me about it whilst I’m just in awe of what we’re looking at. So, yeah, really, really lovely place to visit. And that’s one of several different things within a similar area. So you’ve also got Templewood stone circle and there’s a few, like, cairns and kists and this kind of thing. So, yeah, lovely, lovely place, it looks like.

Dawn [15:17 – 15:26]: And you had an okay day. A bit overcast, but it looks. It was clear. Quite nice walking through there. I can imagine it with the grass rustling and.

Francesca [15:26 – 15:54]: Yeah, yeah, it was definitely as far as rain in Scotland goes. It was barely there. There was the tiniest drizzle as we were kind of like just setting off. And we were slightly worried about having to do everything in a downpour. But no, we managed to do everything outside and sit and do a nice recording without any. Any rain going on. So, like you say, a bit grey and overcast, but, yeah.

Dawn [15:54 – 16:09]: And it’s just, again, it’s another beautiful picture with the other stones further ahead. And then you’ve got the hills going up at the back of you. It’s beautiful. It’s really nice. God. Did you go up? Did you go anywhere else from there, then? Where did you go from there?

Francesca [16:09 – 17:42]: Yeah. So one of the main places within the Kilmartin glen that people will go to as well on a bit of a sightseeing thing is called the Donnard Hill fort. Like, it’s a really quite steep hill that is very rocky in places. And it used to have a hill fort in. I can’t quite remember the century, but post roman hill fort, shall we say. And it was part of the kind of like, argyle area of Irish coming over into Scotland and that kind of thing. So lots of the connections there between the two sides of the Irish Sea. So, yeah, a really nice hill fort to go to. And when you can climb up it, you can hike up it. When you get to the top, there are, for one, you can just see how flat the plains were around. So you can see why people kind of like, settled there and were there as a kind of like, fort protection. But the other thing that you can see when you’re at the top of the hill fort is a kind of like, carving that’s foot shaped. And it is believed that that carving was used to kind of like, crown the kings of Dunard and that kind of thing. So the kings would like, put their foot in it and declare that they would protect the people and this kind of stuff. So lots of mythology and history based around that. That carving.

Dawn [17:42 – 17:51]: That sounds really nice. That’s. I’m gonna go. Next time I’m in open, I’m gonna take a trip to Kilmartin. I love these kind of things. I can’t believe I just know it was there.

Francesca [17:51 – 18:14]: It is incredible. And it is especially, like, knowing about it from a book and a fantasy book. When you go up there, it is really quite moving to see it is a real place and there’s history to it that is, like, far beyond the kind of, like, imagined history that the writer chose to write about.

Dawn [18:14 – 18:23]: So when you were up there walking through everything, could you kind of play back scenes from the book and think, oh, I can see how this would play. I can imagine that must be quite cool.

Francesca [18:23 – 18:45]: Absolutely. And I was obsessed with this book when I was a teenager, so it’s pretty much ingrained in my head. I could probably tell you the entire story from memory. So, yeah, it was very, very interesting to see the bits that she’s picked from the real place and put into this story that she told.

Dawn [18:45 – 18:57]: Yeah, fascinating. And what else did you do when you were there? Did you stay overnight? Were you just there for the day? Did you, any recommendations of accommodation or places to eat or anything?

Francesca [18:57 – 20:11]: Yeah, so, unfortunately, I think where we stayed has actually closed now. So it was a b and b that was not too far from the hill fort. You could see it from the window, but I think they have closed down, unfortunately. But I do know that there are a couple of other b and b’s around Kilmartin itself, the town Kilmartin. And it is pretty easy to get to from places like Oband, which you mentioned, and that kind of thing. So, yeah, lots of, like, the slightly bigger towns that you might want to stay in and do a day trip out. And we kind of did it the other way. And we actually went out from Kilmartin for a day to do a boat tour. So we did kind of like seal watching and bird watching and did, like a little trip out around some of the islands on a little boat to do a wildlife tour, which was so amazing. And we actually saw a pod of porpoises when we were out, which was incredible. Lots of seabirds, lots of, like, gilly motts and that kind of thing. And.

Dawn [20:11 – 20:14]: Yeah, you did that. Is that from Kilmartin?

Francesca [20:15 – 20:50]: Yes. So we. We took a car up and then we went to. I can’t remember the name of the town, which is really bad. I’m very bad with names, but I can remember that we went over a bridge that’s called the. The bridge over the Atlantic. I think it is. It’s the bridge over the Atlantic or the bridge over the sea, because you kind of, like, take this tiny bridge which goes over the sea there.

Dawn [20:50 – 20:53]: Yeah, yeah, I’m learning so much.

Francesca [20:53 – 21:25]: Yeah, yeah. It’s one of those where. Because I had, like, such a good tour guide in cafe, I didn’t necessarily take note of a lot of the names, but I could tell you to very much kind of, like, seek out people that know the area and that kind of, like, work in the area, because there’s so much to take in. There’s, like, bits and pieces I’ve maintained, but, yeah, everything. Everything in terms of, like, names and exact locations, definitely, yeah, definitely worth double checking.

Dawn [21:25 – 21:30]: How long is it since you’ve been there? Can you be forgiven? Is it. Has it been a while?

Francesca [21:30 – 21:32]: Nope, it’s been about two years. So.

Dawn [21:35 – 21:43]: Francesca, I know I’m the same. I just like looking and seeing, but I’m not good at retaining the names. I mean.

Francesca [21:43 – 22:04]: Yeah, I mean, people have asked me in terms of, like, travelling and doing adventures and stuff, they always go, what’s your favourite adventure? And I’m always, like, the last one because I can remember it, or the next one because it’s something I’m excited about. So, yeah, I don’t have the best memory from maintaining it.

Dawn [22:05 – 22:17]: There’s too much else in there, isn’t it? Can’t remember everything. So, on that trip, did you go to your next favourite place in Scotland, or is that a different time?

Francesca [22:18 – 23:56]: No, it was that trip. I did a nice long one. I was away for about ten days in total. So after we kind of did the Kilmartin Glen area, I said goodbye to cathy and went off on my own little adventure, which was to walk the great Glen way. So, yeah, the great Glen way is a really nice, low level route for kind of, like, hiking. You can, like, go and kayak it as well, you can cycle it and this kind of stuff. There’s lots of different ways that you can take that route, and I think it’s just over a hundred miles in total. So it’s like, in terms of long distance routes, it’s a shorter one that you can do in, like, a week, quite leisurely, as it were, for hikers that are used to doing mega distances. So, yeah, the great Glen way starts in Inverness and then it goes down the kind of like, rift that’s between Scotland’s lowlands and Highlands, essentially, and goes all along Loch Ness and the various different lochs that separate the two halves of Scotland there. And, yeah, it is really incredible when you’re walking along it. And loch Ness in particular. I knew it was big, but when you’re hiking alongside it for three days in a row, how long it took, you suddenly realise how long it really is. Is. Yeah, just kept going.

Dawn [23:56 – 24:01]: I’ve nipped along in a boat, but, no, it didn’t take three days.

Francesca [24:02 – 24:32]: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, that one. If you are a hiker, I would say it’s really worth it. I think a lot of people that like to hike mountains, there are other routes that are a bit more kind of like high, high level and go up into the hills a bit more and that kind of stuff. But I found the great Glenway was really nice for something that’s a little bit more relaxed and you can go through a few towns and this kind of thing. So, yeah, a really lovely one.

Dawn [24:32 – 24:37]: Oh, and where does. Is that. Where does it come out, then? Where does it end? Where did you come out?

Francesca [24:38 – 24:43]: It goes all the way down to. I think it’s called Drumnard.

Dawn [24:44 – 24:46]: Drumna Drocket.

Francesca [24:46 – 25:23]: Drumna jocket. Yeah, that’s where I finished it. But I think it does go a little bit further. And when you kind of, like, get past that, you can see, like, Ben Nevis and this kind of thing, you come into that area. And I think it does go all the way to Fort William. So Fort William is kind of like the end point, start point for a lot of people. But I kind of gave up on that aspect then kind of. I got a little car tour b and b from there. It’s like, no, I’m not doing this anymore. I’m kind of running out of time. I’ll just skip the last bit.

Dawn [25:23 – 25:29]: And what did you think of the wee places on your way past, then, when you got out? What did you think of it all?

Francesca [25:30 – 26:31]: Yeah, it was really lovely there. You go through a couple of places which are quite touristic because it is on Loch Ness. So Fort Augustus, Washington, one of the ones that I did kind of, like, go through. And I did actually manage to get a little. It was meant to be a sunset boat tour, but there wasn’t really a sun to set that day. So it was more a twilight boat tour. But, yeah, I did get a sunset boat tour out on Loch Ness and do all of the. Listening to the stories about what could possibly be in Loch Ness. I was drinking a nice little whiskey on the boat. They had a bar on there. So that was very nice. So, yeah, Fort Augustus is a nice little stop. And yeah, there’s a couple of kind of like just backpacker hostels along the route that were just nice little hostels that really look after you, essentially. So, yeah, nice.

Dawn [26:31 – 26:36]: And tell me about the couple of photos you sent me over about this trip then.

Francesca [26:37 – 28:57]: Yeah, so there was a couple that I sent you that were I from the great Glen way. So they’re from a few different places along that route. First one is that start for me end for a lot of people, which was in Inverness itself. So you get the lovely tower that tells you this is the start of the great Glen way. Or well done, you’ve made it if you’re coming from the other side. And yeah, that’s me at the start, pointing at it, going, I’m here, me looking very excited that I’m about to start. And then there is another one, which is just kind of like a pretty little heather field, essentially. So I was walking along a road that didn’t have any cars on it on the entire time I was walking along it. But it’s just running through this field of heather. And it was the season that the heather was lovely and purple. So you’ve got a kind of like marker stone showing where the next town is, which is quite far away. And then in the middle of the heather field there. And then another one, which was really nice, was not far from that. That kind of like heavyfield picture. You kind of like duck back in through some woodland. And as I was walking along, I just saw this really welcome sign that was like cafe 100 metres. And I was like, oh, my goodness, I wasn’t expecting a cafe here. So that’s always a nice, kind of like a treat, a bit of trail magic if you’re doing a long distance hike. And yeah, I obviously popped down to that cafe and met the folks there and they said that they basically catered to people that are doing the great Glen way and that’s all that they see. And I think I was like one of the few people that they saw that day, but they kind of like, give you a lovely lunch for a very decent price. And I got a soup and a slice of cake and some lovely homemade bread and, yeah, a really, really lovely little idyllic cottage and cafe in the middle of a woodland.

Dawn [28:57 – 29:01]: But just it’s on its own in the middle of this woodland.

Francesca [29:01 – 29:11]: Yeah, yeah. And the, uh, the owner was saying that they they very much are there for the trail, but they’re pretty much off. Off grid otherwise, so.

Dawn [29:11 – 29:15]: Wow, that’s nice of them then, to have done that just for the walkers.

Francesca [29:16 – 29:17]: Yeah, absolutely.

Dawn [29:17 – 29:23]: So did you not see, did you not pass or come across any other walkers either, then, on the route?

Francesca [29:23 – 30:01]: Not very many. I did come across a few hikers, most of whom were going the other way, because I think most people start in Fort William and then go up to Inverness. So I was very much, like, out of sync with a lot of people that I did see. But, yeah, on the trail itself, I probably bumped into people a handful of times, like, less than I could count on my fingers, as it were. And there were maybe a couple of places where I, you know, coming into towns and stuff, it would get a bit busier, but actually out on the trail and people that were walking. Yeah, it was quite a low number.

Dawn [30:02 – 30:05]: So must have been so peaceful.

Francesca [30:06 – 30:42]: Yes, definitely peaceful at times. There was also the slightly scary bit when there was a thunderstorm, and I was like, am I high enough to be worried about this? I don’t think I was. And the fact that my feet just gave up before the end. I’ve done a few, like, long distance hikes, but this time I was like, no, not wearing the right shoes this time. And I think after about five days of walking, I was just, like, done. This is no longer. This is no longer the peaceful hike.

Dawn [30:43 – 30:47]: You want to enjoy it, don’t you? Yeah. Not to be miserable.

Francesca [30:48 – 30:48]: That’s.

Dawn [30:48 – 30:54]: God, is that when you stopped at Port Augustus and that was you? You’re done?

Francesca [30:55 – 31:09]: Yeah. So it was the stop after Fort Augustus. I kind of, like, gave up on. So, yeah, the book that I was following gives you kind of, like, different stages, and I did that stage after Fort Augustus and then kind of, like, hopped off.

Dawn [31:10 – 31:17]: Glad you did well, though. So did you never get to Fort William then? Did you not make it to Fort William, or did you go.

Francesca [31:17 – 31:52]: Not on that trip? No, no, I kind of. I hopped back on my train back down to London at the stop after Fort William because it was, like, a little bit closer. And, yeah. So this time I did skip Fort William, but I have been there a couple of times, and, yeah, it’s obviously quite a. Quite a well known town for being near to Ben Nevis and that area. And it has a really nice climbing wall with a cafe that’s inside a church. So I do remember that about Fort William.

Dawn [31:53 – 31:54]: I didn’t know that.

Francesca [31:55 – 32:03]: Yeah, yeah, one of those, like, hidden. Hidden inside churches things. So much stuff where I’m like, oh, church. Oh, no, hang on.

Dawn [32:05 – 32:14]: And tell me, do you think you’ll do the trips again? Do you think you’ll do that? What did you. Was it the glen, what was the name of the walk?

Francesca [32:15 – 32:43]: The great Glen way? Yeah, I would be really tempted to, and I think that if I were to do it again, I might try to do it by kayak. So because it goes through the kind of like the locks and the canals, you can kayak the whole way as well. So, yeah, I’d be really tempted to do that. And I know there are a couple of tour companies that will kind of like, take you and this kind of thing. So that would be how I would do it again, I think.

Dawn [32:43 – 32:47]: Yeah. Oh, that’s good that you do it again. No, but save your feet this time.

Francesca [32:47 – 32:54]: Yeah, definitely save my feet. I’ll probably just be complaining about my arms after the next one, though. Oh, gosh.

Dawn [32:56 – 33:05]: Oh, God. Well, um, it was really. Yeah, I loved learning that so much, I didn’t know about where I’m from.

Francesca [33:06 – 33:13]: It’s always the way, though, isn’t it? You kind of don’t realise when you live there, you’re too busy doing the living to.

Dawn [33:13 – 33:30]: You don’t appreciate what’s on your doorstep. So, no, it’s been really, really interesting learning about these things and beautiful pictures. Really nice. So thanks for sharing with us. If you want to tell everybody just how they can find your podcast or how they find you on social media.

Francesca [33:30 – 34:06]: Yeah. So I am fairly easy to find, if you can spell my whole name. So. Francesca Tarauskis. But if you want a slightly easier way of finding me, my podcasts are@tremula.net work. So that’s Tremula.net work and that’s the main website that has all of my goings on, all of the podcasts that we do, including links to the podcast club and this kind of thing, and hopefully there’ll be some exciting news coming later in the year on there as well. So definitely worth following there.

Dawn [34:07 – 34:11]: Yeah. Oh, well, thanks for coming on, Francesca. It’s been really interesting.

Francesca [34:11 – 34:15]: Yeah, this has been lovely. I’ve enjoyed reminiscing about Scotland.

Dawn [34:20 – 35:53]: The exciting news Francesca alluded to is that she has organised the first Tremula network festival, which will take place on the 20th and 21 September 2024 in the South Downs. The two day festival will be a celebration of audio storytelling, outdoors, nature and community, and will include live panel shows, interviews, storytelling and practical workshops teaching recording techniques for outdoors production. So if this sounds like something that you’d be interested in. You can find out more from tremula.net work. A link to this and everything mentioned in this episode will be in the show notes and on our website, cluranton.com scottishdigest that’s cluaranton.com scottishdigest. We hope you’ve enjoyed this episode listening to adventures. Join us next time for another wee slice of Bonnie Scotland. Scottish Digest is a production of chlorin tornado.


S2. Exploring Beauly: Kevin and Cathy’s Highland Highlights

S2.
Exploring Beauly:
Kevin and Cathy’s Highland Highlights

Welcome to the fourth episode of Season two.

In this episode, Dawn chats with Kevin and Cathy from the YouTube channel Just Thought Lounge. The Canadian duo, who moved to the UK a decade ago, share their recent adventures in the Scottish Highlands, particularly their visit to Beauly. They discuss their exploration of the Beauly Priory, the charming local train station, and their visit to the village’s award-winning gift shop. The conversation also touches on their dining experiences and their brief trip to Dingwall. Kevin and Cathy reflect on their potential move to Scotland and the allure of the Highlands. Listen now to hear more about their delightful recounting of their travels.

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00: Introduction and Welcome
00:02:05: Favourite Place in Scotland: Beauly
00:03:39: Clip from Just Thought Lounge Podcast
00:05:17: Connection to Beauly and the MacRae Family
00:06:59: Exploring Beauly and the Priory
00:20:16: Trip to Dingwall
00:22:27: Future Plans and Exploring More of the Highlands
00:23:08: Where to Find Just Thought Lounge Online
00:23:45: History and Facts About Beauly
00:25:17: Annual Events in Beauly
00:26:49: Conclusion and Where to Find More Information

Visit Beauly – The Beautiful Place

Beauly – Wikipedia

Beauly Priory – Wikipedia

Lovat Castle – Wikipedia

Beaufort Castle – Beauly – Parks & Gardens

Beaufort Castle Dounie Beauly Kiltarlity and Convinth Inverness-shire Highland Scotland Scottish

Beauly Priory | Lead Public Body for Scotland’s Historic Environment

Beauly Visitor Guide – Accommodation, Things To Do & More | VisitScotland

Beaufort Castle, Scotland – Wikipedia

BEAULY PRIORY: All You Need to Know BEFORE You Go (with Photos)

History – Visit Beauly

Highland Cross

HISTORY — Belladrum Festival 2024 – Homegrown in the Highlands

Events – Visit Beauly

North Coast 500 – The ultimate road trip around the North of Scotland

File:High Street, Beauly – geograph.org.uk – 4168794.jpg – Wikimedia Commons

The Priory Hotel | Beauly | Official Site | Best Rate Direct

File:Floral display, Beauly – geograph.org.uk – 4168791.jpg – Wikimedia Commons

File:Beauly priory north side 29042008.JPG – Wikimedia Commons

File:Beauly Priory – geograph.org.uk – 3367209.jpg – Wikimedia Commons

File:The Priory at Beauly – geograph.org.uk – 5346819.jpg – Wikimedia Commons

File:Beauly Priory.jpg – Wikimedia Commons

File:High Street, Beauly – geograph.org.uk – 3364923.jpg – Wikimedia Commons

CORNER ON THE SQUARE

Old School Beauly – Shopping Heaven in the Highlands

Harry Gow | Your Favourite Highland Bakery – Always Baked from Scratch | Harry Gow

Belladrum Festival – Tartan Heart Festival

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Epidemic by ES_The Celtic Flavour – Alysha Sheldon & ES_A Sound Foundation – Airae

 

Production Company Name by Granny Robertson

Dawn [0:00 – 0:36]: Welcome to another episode of Scottish Digest. In this episode, we will be speaking to Kevin and Cathy from the YouTube podcast just thought Lounge, who will be talking to us about one of their favourite places in Scotland, Beaulieu. Okay, so, hi, Kevin and Cathy, welcome to the podcast.

Cathy [0:36 – 0:38]: Hi, Don. Thanks for having us. Yeah, good to be here.

Dawn [0:38 – 0:45]: Oh, it’s lovely to speak to you again. So, can you tell us a little bit about you and what brought you to the UK?

Cathy [0:45 – 1:32]: Sure, Don. Yeah. So we are originally from Canada and we moved to the UK about ten years ago so that Kathy could go to do her master’s programme was essentially what brought us over here and we ended up just really enjoying it and living in England and we decided to stay. So one short year turned into ten years and we’ve got no plans to leave. So, a little bit about us. We run the channel, a YouTube channel called the Just Thought Lounge, which is a true crime channel where we do many documentaries that are 20 to 40 minutes in length, where we just kind of consolidate and tell a story in a very succinct, distilled down way in a mini documentary format.

Dawn [1:32 – 1:46]: You’ve been very, you know, modest. It’s an amazing channel. And Kathy, I don’t know who’s doing what now, but Kathy was doing all the videos and they were beautiful. Couldn’t replicate that. Tried, couldn’t do it. Wow.

Cathy [1:46 – 1:46]: Thanks.

Dawn [1:46 – 1:48]: It’s very talented.

Cathy [1:49 – 1:53]: It’s been quite a lot. It’s been quite a journey with the channel, but we’re happy with where we are now.

Dawn [1:53 – 1:58]: Okay, then. So what we’re here for is to talk about your favourite place in Scotland where you recently visited.

Cathy [1:58 – 2:05]: And it is today we’re talking about Bewley, just outside of Inverness in north Scotland.

Dawn [2:10 – 2:41]: Like I said, Kevin is the host of the YouTube podcast just thought lounge, as well as working with Cathy to do everything else behind the scenes, the write, edit and produce the episodes for YouTube. They are both from Canada, but moved to England about ten years ago. However, they had thought about perhaps moving to Scotland in the future, and so they went on a wee holiday to a few areas in Scotland last year. But before we hear about their trip to Scotland first, heres a clip from an episode of Kevin and Kathys podcast, just thought lounge.

Kevin [2:41 – 3:39]: In March 2024, Riley Strain was on a pub crawl with friends down Broadway and Nashville, the popular main strip packed with shops, bars and restaurants. The 22 year old left his last bar of the night at just past 09:30 p.m. he seemed to vanish only minutes later, even with cameras retracing his steps through the city. There were gaps in his movements, witnesses coming forward that could not always be trusted. Clues were being uncovered that raised more questions than answers. And amager sleuths online were both helping and hurting the investigation. Hi there, Im Kevin and welcome to just thought lounge. Todays case has recently gone viral across social media. Amongst the mystery of Rileys disappearance is a family desperate for answers, bizarre clues that seem to defy common sense and a few outlandish theories.

Cathy [3:39 – 3:41]: Let’s take a look.

Dawn [3:55 – 3:59]: Why did you end up going? Why did you choose there? Why was that your place? You went?

Cathy [3:59 – 5:17]: So it was just recently, it was just in August, and we’ve recently been talking about actually making a house move and we’re looking at different areas still within the UK. And we’ve always really liked the Highlands in Scotland. We’ve been there a couple times, so, yeah, so we really like the Highlands in Scotland. Been there a couple times. So what we wanted to do before settling on any location was just kind of get a feel for the area, right, and kind of get a feel for up north towards Inverness. So we took a trip, started in Glasgow and took the train up past pit Locrie, past Avermore, took a little left at Inverness and we ended up in Beaulieu. We picked a couple spots along the way, pit lockery Avamore, just to kind of get a feel for the area. We had never heard of Bewley before. We didn’t know anything about it. But as we were looking at the area, we did have one sort of connection there, which. Which we thought was interesting, which I’m sure a lot of people say, but Kathy’s family name is McCray and the McCrays do have a link to that area. So we thought, if we’re going to be up there anyways, kind of scoping things out, why don’t we make Beulia a pit stop and kind of see what it’s all about? Do you have any Beaulieu facts?

Dawn [5:17 – 5:33]: A fun fact. The Beuley Priory was location mentioned in the Outlander book series written by Deanna Gabaldon. But I don’t watch that series to use. Do. Yeah, they love it. There you go. Beautiful.

Cathy [5:33 – 5:48]: Yeah, I was right. I had no idea there was a beauty connection, but I did in fact, read pretty much all of those books before the series started. So I have been watching it. Yeah, it’s very. It’s very cheesy. I mean, I’m not going to recommend it, but. Yes.

Dawn [5:49 – 6:01]: Yeah, very nice. And you actually sent me some photos before recorded. And it’s off. Well, it’s off the gravestone. McCrae gravestone. So what. So what is the connection then? Who’s James McCrae?

Cathy [6:02 – 6:59]: Yeah, well, James McCray is actually my father’s name. So I, you know, Google told me that the Beaulieu was the traditional home of the McCray clan. So we thought, well, we’re already heading up in this direction. This is a good area for us to, you know, just have a. Just have a look around. And I was probably at the train for, I don’t know, ten minutes before we ran into. Ran into an old resident that had my father’s name, which I just thought was, you know, so I. Whatever it is, whatever you take from that. But, yeah, I mean, the idea was to be able to view the area not so much as a tourist. They sort of get an idea of what the area would be like for locals and to live in. Of course. Though, interestingly enough, of course, you show up and, you know, with all of your luggage and the first thing you do is every touristy thing that you can because you want to get back to you what the area is and what’s interesting and what it has to offer. Essentially what we did.

Dawn [6:59 – 7:02]: So what did you do? Tell us some of the things that you did when you were there.

Cathy [7:03 – 7:51]: Yeah. So I guess arriving at Beuley worth noting is the train station. The Beaulieu train station is the smallest platform we’ve ever seen. It was probably about ten yards long. It was large enough to kind of fit one carriage on the train. You had to get off on the right one. Yeah. Basically two doors opened on the train. So that was, that sort of told us what we were stepping into was not maybe a commuter hotspot or really a happening place, but we just found that really interesting, that the planning of the Beaulieu train station was clearly. They also weren’t expecting it to grow over time. Right. They just kind of built it for that one carriage to stop, which was interesting. So.

Dawn [7:51 – 7:54]: So were you on the right carriage then, or did you have to make a mud dash?

Cathy [7:54 – 8:11]: They made sure. Yeah, they made sure that they huddled everyone forward to the right doors. To be fair, don, it was not a large train either. That’s fair. Yeah, that’s. Yeah, that’s personal. Yeah. There weren’t many of us heading that way. 50 50 chance to get the right door, I think.

Dawn [8:11 – 8:17]: So. This is great. The picture in my head, it’s like this little dinky train. This little dinky little.

Cathy [8:18 – 8:25]: We’ll send you over we actually. We got a picture of the train station, too. I’ll send that to you after and you can have a look at it. It’s pretty. It’s pretty cute.

Dawn [8:25 – 8:28]: Yeah, that would be cool. So whereabouts did you stay when you were there, then?

Cathy [8:29 – 8:48]: So we stayed right downtown on the high street. So right in Beaulieu, there’s a nice little square that basically has everything happening. And then there’s houses surrounding it. But right downtown on the high street, there’s a square, and we stay. They call it downtown. It was the happening area. It was the happening area. It was the happening. It was the high street.

Dawn [8:48 – 8:49]: Is that the only street?

Cathy [8:51 – 9:17]: Basically, state. You get off on Station Road, and you walk about a mile down station road, it turns into High street, and then you leave town. And that was basically it. But we stayed at the Priory hotel, is where we stayed. Right. Right in the square, which was really nice. Cute old hotel. Yeah. Got in there right off the train, dropped off our bags, and then were able to kind of do a wander around.

Dawn [9:17 – 9:26]: Oh, nice. And you said you went there about August. Apparently. The town, the square you’re talking about about that time. It’s full of flowers. Did you see all that?

Cathy [9:26 – 9:26]: Yes.

Dawn [9:26 – 9:28]: So did you?

Cathy [9:28 – 9:36]: Yeah, we spoke about the flower budget that Yuli and surrounding villages must have. It was really. It was very noticeable. It was very impressive.

Dawn [9:36 – 9:42]: Very. Yeah, it did. It said that that was their main event and it sounded like we got photos. Can you send that as well?

Cathy [9:43 – 9:53]: I. You know what? As much as we talked about the flowers, I don’t think we took any photos of them. I don’t think we knew it was special. We just thought maybe this was how it was done up all the time.

Dawn [9:54 – 9:55]: It was special.

Cathy [9:55 – 10:19]: Cathy, if I’d known, I would have some of those photos. Yeah. I feel a lot better about noticing it now and talking about it, but, yeah, it was. Yeah, a lot of flowers. Really. Yeah. Really cute square we ended up. And that’s actually right on the square there is just beside our hotel, is where we found the priory. Right, yeah. Hence the priory.

Dawn [10:20 – 10:26]: Is it on the same sort of site? You’re just next to it, or your hotel almost right next door.

Cathy [10:26 – 10:44]: Yeah. Sort of jaunt across the car park. And then. And then you could go. And then you could go in and see the. The ruins. And of course, it was a cemetery, hence the photos of the gravestones. But that’s probably the first thing we did once we dropped our luggage, was just explore those. Those ruins. Really picturesque. Really pretty. Yeah.

Dawn [10:44 – 10:46]: Was it a nice day? Did you have a good day?

Cathy [10:46 – 11:33]: It was good. You know what, the whole. The whole week we were there in Scotland, I remember the weather forecast was calling for rain basically the whole week. And it held off for us the whole time. I think we got. We got rain at one point, right at the end when we were in. When we were in Dingwall, but we’ll. We’ll talk about Dingwall shortly. The only rain was in Dingwall. But no, yeah. First stop was the priory. And. Yeah. And we just kind of wandered through there. We didn’t, again, didn’t know anything about Beaulieu, so didn’t know it was there, but just really. Yeah, really nice building, old building. And then that’s where we found the. The gravestones. The McCray gravestones were actually in the priory in the building. They weren’t just on the grounds, they were actually inside the building, which was really neat.

Dawn [11:33 – 11:45]: Oh, okay. So tell us, so what was it like walking through there then? Was it. I can see you in the picture. You’re right. You’re in the middle of there. Tell us about what it was like. Was it quiet? Is it eerie?

Cathy [11:45 – 13:10]: No. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was pretty quiet. There was maybe half a dozen or so other tourists there. Right. So it was pretty quiet. You could see the different sort of gravestones in the floor of the priory, as you kind of see in different abbeys and things like that. They had, just beside the door on the inside, I remember they had a really old. It was like a stone bowl attached to the wall where they put holy water in there. And so that’s where. That’s where, you know, that’s their old bowl that they would go in and sort of everyone on their way in or way out would. Would dip their hands in that bowl. So interesting seeing those little details that have lasted over time. Yeah. You could tell that the building itself would have been when it still had a full roof cover, an impressive building. But as a result, the walls that remain, the structure that remained was quite impressive. And it really struck quite a scene walking through. What was the story? They used the stones for the. From the priory to build a building in Inverness, was it? Do you remember that? Yes. Yes. So they repurposed part of the building so you can actually. And it has. So it has a connection to another area. I wish we had written that down. Yeah. There’s a. I think there’s a tower. There was a building, a clock tower. Yeah. A building built in Inverness from the stones of the Priory. And the only thing remaining of that secondary building is the clock tower.

Dawn [13:10 – 13:18]: I think I’ll look into that. Did you happen to see the 800 year old elm tree located in the priory?

Cathy [13:18 – 13:23]: I’m sure we didn’t notice it, but I’m sure we saw it.

Dawn [13:24 – 13:26]: Like, how big must that have been?

Cathy [13:27 – 13:31]: Yeah. Yeah. No, not that we noticed, unfortunately.

Dawn [13:32 – 13:37]: Oh, that was my other fun fact. It’s a fun fact.

Cathy [13:37 – 13:41]: Now I’m sad. We sort of missed it. We’ll cheque it out next time we go.

Dawn [13:41 – 13:48]: Are you planning on going? So you said you were going up that way to look for possible places to move to. Were you thinking about it or is it not for you?

Cathy [13:48 – 14:09]: Beaulieu itself? No, no, not for us. I think we were looking for something a bit more in the highlands. Right. A bit more scenic, a bit more with the hills and the landscape, which I don’t think Beaulieu necessarily had. I think that was. I think we kind of got out of it a little bit. So, no, Beaulieu did not make our shortlist.

Dawn [14:10 – 14:13]: Oh. But still beautiful nonetheless. Is it still.

Cathy [14:13 – 14:26]: Oh, gorgeous. Yeah, gorgeous around and getting up there is absolutely. The trip. The trip up on the train is, you know, in and of itself is. Is a great. A great destination. Just. Just taking the train up there is fantastic.

Dawn [14:27 – 14:37]: And what about food? Because I know, Kevin, you’re same as me. You’re vegan, aren’t you? And I know you saw on your socials, you commented that there was a nice vegan place there. What was that?

Cathy [14:37 – 14:44]: Yeah, so we’re actually both. We’re actually both vegan. So Cathy’s. Kathy’s the one that pulled me along on that. On that trip.

Dawn [14:44 – 14:56]: Oh, Cathy, I’m sure you were there, of course, because you were the one about the restaurant down in London. Yes, I got that wrong. You. I got that the wrong way around, didn’t I? I thought it was you, Kevin. That was the dabbler still.

Cathy [14:57 – 15:51]: Yeah, yeah, that’s right. Yeah. We went to unity diner in London. Right? Yeah, yeah. Food and Beaulieu, we ended up. So we were only there for a short time, but after. After sort of the priory and everything, we went for lunch at a little cafe in the square. It was called the corner on the square cafe. And it was. It was. Right, yeah, right on, right on the square corner. It was very busy. I mean, it was the type of small, little cafe that you knew the food was good because of how, like, they were overflowing with. With everyone popping in. So to, you know, either take food to go or I’m amazed we even got a table. So it was that sort of a spot, which was nice. And they had quite a few options for us, too. Yeah. Yeah. With how. With how quiet the town was. With how quiet Beaulieu was. Yeah. I couldn’t believe how many people were in there for lunch. It was just. It was like, it was the place to be, apparently.

Dawn [15:52 – 15:56]: And did you stay there? Did you have your tea there as well? Or did you just head off the next day and didn’t hang about?

Cathy [15:57 – 16:02]: We ate at the hotel, I believe, before. Yeah. For our. Yeah, before we left. Yeah.

Dawn [16:02 – 16:07]: I’m so nosy. Am I giving the itinerary, the full itinerary?

Cathy [16:07 – 17:33]: No, no, but no. So what we actually did, Don, before worth mentioning, because I think it’s a big draw for Beuley, is before lunch, after we. After we saw the priory, there was a gift shop just down the way. And it was an award winning gift shop, apparently, that they pride themselves on. And that was the old school Beaulieu gift shop is what that was called. And, yeah, we just. We went in there and it was. It was one of those places where you go in. And my first impression was there was a lot of sort of trinkets and local products, you know, people. People knitting scarves or sweaters and stuff locally and putting it in. And it was neat. It wasn’t anything really special at first glance. What I was in, what I ended up doing was I left the gift shop and I stood outside for a second and I couldn’t find Kathy. And I didn’t know. I didn’t know where Kathy went and I didn’t know how I lost her in this tiny little two room gift shop. And so it wasn’t until I went back in that I realised that the back of the gift shop opens right up to a very large bookstore. Yeah, a bookstore. And, yes, some pet supplies and some, you know, like, children homeware. Yeah. So it really. It really opened up and there was so much more to it than first meets the eye. But I almost. I almost missed. I almost missed the whole thing.

Dawn [17:34 – 17:35]: You lost Cathy.

Cathy [17:36 – 17:39]: You lost me in the back of the books.

Dawn [17:41 – 17:44]: That’s what I’m going to be. Did you buy anything as a souvenir then?

Cathy [17:45 – 18:22]: I actually think I left without anything. And I. And I recall actually carrying around quite a few different items. And I actually have photos of books. I took photos of books I wanted. I determined that it was a really, really well curated selection. There were so many of the books that I was looking through that I would have actually wanted to take home. But I have problems with indecision if there are too many things that I’m interested in. If it had been the type of gift shop that was two rooms. So there was one item I liked, I thought, oh, that’s perfect. That’s what I’ll take from Beaulieu. But I wanted maybe a dozen different things and none of them were going to fit in my suitcase. So I just took photos of items that I wanted for later.

Dawn [18:23 – 18:36]: That’s a good top tip there. Yeah, I would probably buy them and then just carry them about the rest of the holiday. So tell me, where did you go next? You went to Dingwall?

Cathy [18:37 – 20:16]: Yes. Yeah. So part of the whole trip was, you know, seeing the area and seeing what was around. And we saw on a map that that Dingwall was just a short train trip away. So we decided to head on up there. As a coastal town, we didn’t know much about it. We assumed coastal towns would be a bit lively. But we ended up, we ended up catching the bus and we took the bus up. It was maybe a 20 minutes bus ride, not too bad, and got to see all of the areas along the way, which was really neat. But when we got to Dingwall, it was a bit, the high street was closed up a bit, sort of run down. Unfortunately, it looks like it’s had some hard times. So we had a wander around Dingwall and that’s when it started raining on us. And we just did. We just did. We just did a walk around. We were maybe there for maybe an hour and a half, maybe 2 hours, just kind of a big loop around, saw what we could see and then ended up back at the bus station, at the bus stop and caught the next bus home. But what was funny was, and I think it speaks to how small some of these communities are, is that the bus on the way back we had the same bus driver that had dropped us off 2 hours earlier. But then not only that, I get bus drivers, you know, they have routes and so you’ll see them multiple times. But the one other person that was on the bus with us on the way to Digwall was also catching the same bus back to Beaulieu. So we basically had the same driver and the same passenger with us on the way there and on the way back. Yeah.

Dawn [20:16 – 20:25]: Oh, that’s really sad about Dingwall because I have actually been there. I used to go there regularly and, oh, I mean, it’s quite a small place, but yeah, that’s a shame.

Cathy [20:26 – 20:28]: What did you used to go there for?

Dawn [20:28 – 20:42]: It was just. With my previous partner, he used to just do lawnmowers and he was just. He would go to the caravan sites and, you know, service their lawnmowers and it was just. I remember it being a lovely, quiet but beautiful place. So. That’s sad to hear.

Cathy [20:42 – 20:57]: I. Yeah, it seemed like a lot. A lot was boarded up. What they did have there, though, which we saw a couple times, was a bakery. And you might know these done that. We had never seen them before, but they were gao. Is that what it was, a gao bakery?

Dawn [20:59 – 21:00]: God, I don’t know.

Cathy [21:00 – 21:16]: G o w. But the reason I bring it up is because we saw one in Avomore and then we saw another one in Beaulieu and then we saw the third one in Dingwall. So it seemed like it was a chain. Harry Gow. Harry Gow bakery is what it was.

Dawn [21:17 – 21:20]: Oh, God. I’ve never heard of him. It must be up that week.

Cathy [21:22 – 21:27]: It seemed pretty funny. It seemed like every. Every town we stopped in, there was a. There was a hairy gow bakery.

Dawn [21:29 – 21:33]: I wonder how popular that is. If he’s in all the small places, he must get the tourists.

Cathy [21:34 – 21:36]: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, maybe that’s what it is. Yeah.

Dawn [21:37 – 21:48]: Okay, then. So that was your visit to the Highlands. So do you think you’ll go back? Have you got your eye on anywhere else or in the area or see anything on the buses when you were travelling?

Cathy [21:48 – 22:25]: Well, we’ll definitely go back. Which areas we’ll choose next time. I’m not sure. I think that the next trip is going to require a car. We did this entire trip by train and that really did dictate sort of the stops and the areas that we could. That we could explore. So when we have been. Previously, we’ve driven around, you know. Yeah. So we have done that before, but we chose this time to just go by train. So if we go back up again, I think we’ll probably. We’ll map out some more smaller areas to take a look, go off the beaten track again and pretend that we’re not tourists and then end up doing touristy things.

Dawn [22:27 – 22:33]: Why do you want to pretend you’re not a tourist? It’s luckily being a tourist. It is. It is.

Cathy [22:33 – 22:42]: No, it’s. It’s. It is. It is fun, but it’s also. It’s hard to get an idea of what it’s like to actually live in a place when you are a tourist surrounded by tourists.

Dawn [22:43 – 22:51]: All right, then we’ll. That’s it. Thanks very much for telling me all about your time in the Highlands. I look forward to hearing from you again, if you go again.

Cathy [22:52 – 23:08]: Absolutely. It’s been fun. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for having us on, Don. It’s been. This is, this is our. This is our first podcast that we’ve been on, so it was very, very exciting and fun. So, yeah, appreciate it. Thanks for having us. We’ll take better notes next time.

Dawn [23:08 – 23:14]: Yeah. But can you tell everybody they can find just thought lounge and you.

Cathy [23:14 – 23:40]: Absolutely, yeah. So we are just thought lounge on YouTube. So if you just kind of look us up there, all of our socials are kind of connected to that. We’re also on. On Instagram, primarily just on there. So if you want to see some pictures of our travels around Kent and specifically our two cockapoos, then make sure you find us on Instagram, which is just thought lounge there as well.

Dawn [23:45 – 27:11]: According to Wikipedia, beaulieu is a town in the Highlands, located on the river Beaulieu and is 12 miles, or 19 kilometres, about a 20 minutes drive west of Inverness. According to visit Beaulieu, Mary Queen of Scots visited Beaulieu in 1564 and stayed overnight, with many believing that the town got its name when she stated, pardon, my friend, c’est un Beaulieu, which means what a beautiful place in French. Although others believe that it is more likely the town’s name came from french monks who had a base in Hampshire in England called Beaulieu. Again, according to visit Beaulieu. The town is centred around a square where you will find many award winning independent shops and places to eat. And in the spring, visitors will come from far and wide to see the annual floral displays. Beaulieu is also a great base to start the north coast 500, from which is according to Northcoast 500 dot Comma, Scotland’s ultimate road trip, a route that covers 516 miles, or 830 kilometres of the North Highlands, where you will pass some breathtaking scenery, beautiful sandy beaches, rugged mountains and quaint fishing villages. An experience that you will not forget. For more information and to see the route, visit Northcoast 500 Dot. We talked a lot about the Beaulieu Priory in this episode, which was founded in 1230. And as I mentioned, there’s an 800 year old elm tree located in the extensive priory. And so now on to the annual events that take place in the Beaulieu area. Well, there’s actually quite a few. There’s the Beaulieu gala that takes place in July each year and the Highland Cross finishing line is at Bewley. The Highland cross is a 50 miles, being 20 miles on foot and 30 miles by bike duathlon that traverses the Scottish Highlands from coast to coast, west to east, ending like I say in Bewley. But the event that really caught my eye was the Belladrum Tartan Heart Festival, which takes place every year just a few miles from Bewley in 2024. It will take place on the 25th to the 27 July and tickets are on sale now from tartanheartfestival.com. the Bella Drum Tartan Heart Festival was first established in 2004 and has become one of the most unique and anticipated music festivals in Scotland, with a record breaking 20,000 people attending in 2022. It brings a diverse range of music genre together, from indie to folk, as well as showcasing local and international talent. It has also won many awards, such as an award at the scottish e awards in 2023 for best festival. It sounds like it would be a fantastic weekend. If you’d like to find out more or buy tickets then visit tartanheartfestival.com. so that’s about the end. If you’ve enjoyed the episode and would like to hear even more of Kevin’s delightful voice, then you can find just thought lounge on YouTube. A link to this as well as everything mentioned in this episode will be in the show notes as well as on our website, clurintornous.com scottishdigest that’s cluaranton.com Scottishdigest so we hope you join us next time for another wee slice of Bonnie Scotland.


S2. Solway Firth Stories: Alistair Braidwood’s Annan Anecdotes

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Solway Firth Stories: Alistair Braidwood’s Annan Anecdotes

Welcome to the third episode of Season two.

In this episode Dawn is joined by Alistair from the Scots Whay Hae podcast to discuss his favourite place in Scotland: Annan and the Solway Firth, located in south-west Scotland in Dumfries and Galloway.

Alistair shares nostalgic memories of his childhood holidays in Annan, highlighting its charming countryside, historical significance, and local culture. He reminisces about cycling through quiet streets, playing in fields, and enjoying fish and chips. The conversation also touches on Annan’s efforts to revitalise itself as a tourist destination, with events like the Annan Harbour Festival and the town’s rich history. Tune in for a delightful journey through Annan’s past and present, filled with personal anecdotes and cultural insights.

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00: Introduction by Dawn
00:01:00: Clip from Scots Whay Hae Podcast
00:01:54: Dawn Welcomes Alistair
00:06:01: Alistair’s Favourite Place in Scotland: Annan
00:08:09: Childhood Memories in Annan
00:09:16: Recent Visit to Annan
00:10:36: Beaches in Annan
00:11:48: Historical Railway Viaduct
00:13:08: Annan’s Red Sandstone Buildings
00:14:00: Robert Burns’ Connection to Annan
00:15:13: Pagani’s Fish and Chip Shop
00:16:02: Staying with Family in Annan
00:16:42: Travel Time to Annan
00:17:20: Scenic Routes to Annan
00:18:04: Childhood Activities in Annan
00:19:26: Walking Routes in Annan
00:20:47: River Annan
00:21:34: Annandale Way Walking Route
00:21:44: Stone Bridge Designed by Robert Stevenson
00:22:36: TV Programme Featuring Annan
00:22:45: Scandinavian Origin of Solway
00:23:19: The Wicker Man Filming Locations
00:24:47: Overlooked Beauty of Dumfries and Galloway
00:25:08: Scenic Drives in the Area
00:27:48: Riding of the Marches Festival
00:29:37: Community Spirit in Annan
00:31:13: Annan Harbour Festival
00:33:10: Potential for Tourism in Annan
00:34:07: Future Visits to Annan
00:37:32: Where to Find Scots Whay Hae podcast.
00:38:36: Facts About Annan and Solway Firth
00:40:33: Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser


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Annan Harbour – Dumfries and Galloway south west Scotland

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Dawn [0:00 – 0:59]: Welcome to episode three of season two of Scottish Digest. In this episode, we will be speaking to Alister from the podcast Scotsway Hay, who will be talking to us about his favourite place and area in Scotland, which is Annan and the Solway Firth. Alister is the host of the podcast Scots Whay Hae, which discusses modern Scottish culture, whatever and wherever that may be. And Alister has had some fantastic guests on his podcast. Alistair and I also appeared on the BBC Scotland show the Big Scottish book club crime special episode, which you can watch on iPlayer if you’re in the UK. Just before we speak to Alister, here’s a wee clip from an episode of Scott’s Way Hay.

Alistair [1:00 – 1:53]: Hello, everyone, and welcome to another Scots Whay Hae podcast. And today I’m joined once again by writer Denzil Meyrick to talk about his new novel, Murder at Holly House. Hello, Denzil. Hello there, Alistair. It’s nice to see you again. And nice to see you again. And this is, as we just mentioned before we start recording, this is a bit of a departure. So what can you tell listeners about murder at Holly House? Murder at Holly House is set in 1950s North Yorkshire and it involves Di Frank Rasby, who arrives in the village of Elderby to find somebody dead down a chimney, something he wasn’t expecting. And one of the lines that the young laird of the manor says on this discovery, well, Santa got it terribly wrong this year.

Dawn [1:54 – 1:57]: Hi, Alistair. It’s lovely to have you on the podcast.

Alistair [1:57 – 1:59]: Hello, dawn. Thank you for asking me.

Dawn [2:00 – 2:11]: Oh, I wasn’t going to not ask you after meeting you. Billy Conley esque. So, can you tell us a little bit about you and about your podcast Scots weigh?

Alistair [2:12 – 3:00]: Sure. Well, Alastair Braidwood, who runs the Scots Whay Hae website and podcast, both of which look at Scottish culture. They’re a celebration of all things about Scottish culture. So it started out kind of focusing on books, but now it’s music, it’s theatre, it’s paintings, it’s opera, even. So, covering all sorts of different things. I just recently did a podcast with a couple choreographers who’ve got two dance shows out, or they did have last month. So it’s amazing the different things that we’ve kind of covered. I’ve learned so much doing it over the years. We’re coming up to our 300th podcast, so that’s coming up fairly soon.

Dawn [3:01 – 3:03]: Good God, that’s an achievement there.

Alistair [3:03 – 3:20]: Yeah. So it started 2011, I think was the first one. Website started in 2009, and both just been regularly doing over the years and it’s been great. I’ve absolutely loved it.

Dawn [3:20 – 3:31]: Yeah, you’ve got an amazing, like, so many different guests. Like you were saying, it’s just. It’s just so random, isn’t it? Each episode is just. You never know what you’re going to get. I like that.

Alistair [3:31 – 4:30]: Well, it’s interesting because when I started the website, people said, well, concentrate on one thing, you know, and that’s. That’s the best advice. And I thought, I don’t want to do that because I’m interested in loads of things. Yes. I was doing a degree in literature at Glasgow Uni at the time, which is one of the reasons I started it. But I also love my music and I love going to theatre and all sorts of things, so I kind of ignored that advice and maybe that was the right thing to do. But it does mean that you get a real mix of people coming on. We did one with Nancy from Crimecon, for instance. I never thought I would introduce her through yourself, and, of course, had the podcast sharing collaboration that you sorted out last year, which had all different people from different areas. Yeah, it’s been. It’s a great way of meeting and talking to new people. I think that’s the main thing. And if you’re interested in people, there’s nothing better.

Dawn [4:31 – 4:49]: Definitely. And it was. That’s where we met Nancy as well, didn’t it? At the BBC’s. BBC, Scotland’s, the big Scottish Book Club. That was where I first met you as well, in person. It was lovely doing that with you. But that wasn’t your type of book, though, was it? It was Truman Capote in cold Blood.

Alistair [4:49 – 5:48]: Well, in a way, it was my type of book. I would have read before I said Scottsdale. Hey, I’d read it and years and years and years ago, when I used to read a lot of american writers and things like that. I was really glad you asked me because it was something different for me, because now I mostly review fiction. That’s not true. I review a lot of nonfiction as well, but in terms of crime, it’s mostly crime fiction instead of true crime. So it was interesting to go back to a book which I kind of still thought of as a novel, because it’s a kind of novelization, a dramatisation of a true crime, which is what we ended up talking about a lot on the day. So. But actually, you asking me to do that, I think that’s a great example of the kind of connections that you make through doing podcasts and meeting new people, and then someone will say, oh, I don’t know who might do that. Don might do that. You know, that’s the way that he’s. And that’s probably why you’ve asked me on today, because, you know, these connections are made.

Dawn [5:48 – 5:59]: Oh, sure, yeah. Always. I love making connections and just sharing. Like you say, it’s interesting meeting new people and different walks of life, so. Yeah, definitely. I’m glad we met.

Alistair [5:59 – 6:00]: Yes, absolutely.

Dawn [6:01 – 6:08]: So, anyway, we’re here today to talk about one of your favourite places in Scotland. Do you want to tell us where it is?

Alistair [6:08 – 6:27]: I was so excited when you said this, because the place is Annan in Dunfisher, in the borders, and not a lot of people still know what it is. It’s become a little bit more famous recently because Ashley Jensen, the new lead on Shetland, that’s where she’s from. Yeah, she’s from Annan, yeah.

Dawn [6:27 – 6:28]: I didn’t know that.

Alistair [6:28 – 8:09]: Yeah. And I’m kind of surprised we never bumped into each other as kids because she’s a year older than me. She, I think, was born in 69 and I was born in 70, but. But we didn’t, however. Yeah, we used to go. The reason I picked Anand is because when we were kids, from a young age to teenage years, that’s where we would go on our holidays. So whether it was Easter, whether it was school holidays, whether it was summer holidays, that’s where we would go, because that’s where my mum’s from, so, her mum and dad. But although my granddad passed away when I was only three, we used to go down there for our holidays and it was, in hindsight, it was a good thing because I was from cambus Lang in Glasgow, a very different place, I think, to be playing on the streets. Dan Annan, which is very much. It was a kind of. Almost like a famous five time. You know, we were young, there was lots of fields. You had the solway, not that far, you know, you would go fishing for tadpoles, it sounds like, from something from the 1950s, but all sorts of things like that. There was a pipeline that used to go down to the solway, which we would walk down. Don’t think we were supposed to, but we did, and we would climb trees and build tree houses and we would play putting and it was just a lovely child go cycling. I don’t think we would have been allowed to cycle around Cambusland all day, but in Annan there was hardly any cars, really, on the street back then in the seventies and eighties, and we just went everywhere on bikes. It was a great time, it looked.

Dawn [8:09 – 8:13]: Sounds amazing. And you went there, you’ve got a brother as well. That’s who you went there with, wasn’t it?

Alistair [8:13 – 9:15]: Yes. Me and my brother’s three years younger than me. And we would go down. You asked for a picture, a picture of me and Andy. Now, Andy would have been really young there, looking at that picture, but, you know, there was a little play park and we would go, and as he reminded me back then, play parks were all covered in concrete. They were dead traps, you know, and we’re swinging up as high as we could. And it was beside Annan High School, which was the local high school. So we soon made friends with local kids, Peter and Helen Gilmore, if they ever hear this. Hello. Who lived in the same crescent as my granny did, and other folk like Pete Jackson and then later on, other kids. And so they were almost like your holiday friends, if you know, your school friends, camber slang. Friends, school friends here. And then you had your holiday pals when you went down there and. Yeah, so it was like another life, slightly from the rest of the year.

Dawn [9:16 – 9:21]: So have you been more recently? I mean, have you ever been back again? When was the last time you were there?

Alistair [9:22 – 10:35]: Funnily enough, I went last year because my mum and I were going down for a wee break down south, and she still got friends there that she went to school with and keeps in touch with them. So she was going to meet two of them for a lunch. So I was driving, so I said, I’ll drop you off, you go and have your lunch and then I’ll have a wander about and, you know, old memories. And it was great. It was really lovely to do. It’s not a big place anand you can walk around it quite easily. And it was great to see some of the old places that I remembered were there. Of course, a lot of them weren’t, but the basic structure of the town and the high street northwest was still there and some of the old buildings and Lady street cinema, which was the cinema we used to go to as kids, you know, the kind of morning shows off various things. Yeah, it was great to go back and have lots of memories, but I do often if I’m going down south or I’m passing nearby, I’ll pop in, because my granny and granddad are both buried there. So I’ll go and, you know, give the stone a clean and put some flowers on and that kind of thing. So that’s kind of the only time that I’m down. But it was nice to go back last year and really explore again.

Dawn [10:36 – 10:40]: And I’ve got some beautiful beaches there as well, haven’t they? Did you ever.

Alistair [10:40 – 11:29]: Absolutely. The one we used to go to was pow foot, which was. I mean, I could cycle to it, you know, quite a lengthy cycle, but, yeah, so that’s not too far from Annan at all by car. And it’s got some great beaches and jellyfish on the beach, you know, just lots of. There was a. There was a. I think they were called the notman’s, and I don’t know how legal this was or even anything, but they used to sell ice cream out of their kind of back kitchen, like proper ice creams they’ve got in their freezer. So jellyfish and ice cream. That’s what I remember a lot about power footage. But there’s a nice hotel there and the hotel still there, and there’s a golf course, and it is quite a kind of destination. But for us it was like jumping in the car, going and playing in the rock pools, and then maybe braving a swim.

Dawn [11:30 – 11:48]: Sounds good. And I mentioned, obviously it was maybe before your time, but I mentioned that there used to be a mile over the viaduct. There used to be a railway over the viaduct. Did you know anything about that? It was quite interesting.

Alistair [11:48 – 11:49]: In Ireland.

Dawn [11:51 – 11:56]: Over the sottles hallway. It used to be from England to Scotland.

Alistair [11:56 – 12:25]: Oh, right. I was thinking more just about Allan, but there was a bridge that went over, because the railway line still has to go over the solway. I think it’s a while since I passed, but when you. My memory here is if you’re driving south from Annan towards Gretna and then Carlisle, particularly near Gretna, you can look out your right and you can see a bridge where the rail, where the railway goes on it going down south, so that’s probably true. Yeah.

Dawn [12:26 – 12:38]: I read that it was. The Scottish used to go over into, use the bridge to go over to England, because the. You could drink there seven days a week and you couldn’t. I like that.

Alistair [12:38 – 13:08]: That’s probably true. I have to say, there is a great history off the borders. I read a book last year and his name escapes me, but it was all about the history off the borders. The writer had walked from one side in the east all the way along, jumping between the two sides, going from Scotland to England, back to the Solway. And yeah, it was a fascinating history a lot. I didn’t know a lot about it, but it really is.

Dawn [13:08 – 13:13]: I haven’t ever been to Annan, but I read somewhere that a lot of the buildings were made of dark red.

Alistair [13:14 – 13:55]: Yeah, that’s right, that’s right. And a lot of the municipal buildings which are still standing, a lot of them unfortunately, look pretty empty from when I went around recently. And a lot of the. Yeah, they’ve got that real kind of red sandstone. I don’t know the history behind where that might come from. But. Yeah, that’s true. It’s a really interesting. Oh, there’s a lot of history there as well. Thomas Carlisle is linked. In a moment I’ll talk about a cracking fish and chip shop, which is there, but the tale is that on that space, Robert Burns wrote the deals awa with exciseman because he worked down in Dumfries. He was an exciseman down in the fries shirt.

Dawn [13:55 – 14:00]: And there’s a cairn on the jetty that commemorates them as well, I think.

Alistair [14:00 – 14:01]: Yeah, there will be.

Dawn [14:02 – 14:04]: No, I like that. Robert Burns, eh?

Alistair [14:04 – 14:05]: Yeah.

Dawn [14:09 – 14:11]: Tell us about the fish and chip shop.

Alistair [14:11 – 15:12]: Well, I was thinking about. Because you’d said right away, where did you go to eat? And we didn’t go out a lot. It was usually kind of even back then it was going to take away. I will say, when we were really young kids, there was a corner shop which was. We could walk down to that used to sell at five p mixtures and, you know, really fruit salads and blackjacks and all those kind of things. And I mean, no wonder my teeth are so bad. We were kind of raised on if my granny would give us a five p, we were straight down here for something very sugary and sticky. That was probably the first place I thought of. And then there was the Solway cafe, which when we were young, when I was kind of 1213, about to become a teenager, I don’t think my folks were that happy about me going there. It was almost like the coffee shops off the fifties, you know, I think that’s where the bad kids hang about, all that kind of stuff. It’s absolutely fine. And I never saw any bother. And coming from cambus Lang, it was unlike, you know, it’s a different thing there.

Dawn [15:13 – 15:15]: Well, you would be the ball there. You’re not bringing the ball out there.

Alistair [15:15 – 15:46]: I was a very good child, but then there was. Now I remember this is a pagani’s fish and chip shop. And I looked it up and it said the cafe royal. And I think that’s its real name, is the cafe Royal. But the family who ran it, well, the paganis. And that’s what everyone knew as paganis fish and chips. And it’s a crack it. It was a really good. People travelled for miles around. In fact, I was looking at the tripadvisor, and people still travel from Carlisle to get some fish and chips.

Dawn [15:46 – 15:47]: Really?

Alistair [15:47 – 16:01]: It’s supposed to be freezing by the time they get home. I think you can sit in. I’m pretty sure you can, but, yeah, that’s a really good fish and chip shop. Worth visiting. If you’re in Ireland, that’s definitely the place, I would say, to visit.

Dawn [16:02 – 16:07]: And what about staying, when you went, did you ever stay? Did you stay with family or did.

Alistair [16:07 – 16:42]: You just stayed up? My grandson, my gran, lived on Solway Crescent. Now, living on a crescent’s great, because there’s hardly any cars again going round. So you’ve got this grass mound in the middle and we could just cycle round it and round it and round it. And so that’s where we would stay at my granny’s every time. Yeah. She passed away in 2011, so since then, that’s why we don’t visit like we once did. But right up to the end, you know, I would still go to visit her back then. Yeah.

Dawn [16:42 – 16:47]: How long does it take to travel from where you are now? Is it not going down?

Alistair [16:47 – 17:20]: I would say if you really put your foot down, you could probably do it in an hour, but probably about an hour and a half, I would say. And there’s some lovely ways to get there. You know, you could just east it down the M 74 and do that. But the old road, the b, I’m going to say 778, I might have got that wrong. But the old b road is still open, which is a really lovely road. Once you get down to kind of beatuk, you can take the back roads and go through things like Lockerbie and Eckelfeken and all these wonderful names.

Dawn [17:20 – 17:22]: I love that name. Always love that echo.

Alistair [17:22 – 18:04]: Fecken and Lochmaben and all these places. And these were the places we used to cycle to, because those roads were quiet. So you would get on your bike on a summer’s day and go out to Hodham Castle or go down the coast and go down to the solway. And we used to. We used to play in the fishing nets, which now seems like a strange and probably quite a dangerous thing to do. But they were all kind of like walls and you would kind of like little mazes and. Yeah, I now know that the tide is actually quite dangerous in there, but as kids, danger wasn’t really a kind of just went and did it. That was the kind of famous five side of things. You would just go and you know, luckily you were safe.

Dawn [18:04 – 18:09]: I love that famous five reference I can picture in my head, because I was a fan as well.

Alistair [18:09 – 18:39]: Yeah, it was. It was fun. And my friends actually had a dog, so we had our own Timmy the dog as well, to get it. As I said, it was just such an. It sounds. I don’t know if I’m viewing it now through real rose tinted specks, but it was a really idyllic place to kind of run about in summer and, you know, and just enjoy it. Plus it was also, you know, half an hour drive to Dumfries or Carlisle, so if you wanted to go into the big town, if you like, you could still go and. And do that.

Dawn [18:40 – 19:00]: His kids, though, I think I preferred the country as well. I liked. I wasn’t bothered about the towns or shopping and all that. It was like you sprang over things and splashing about. That was. Yeah, happy times. Don’t get that anymore, really. Was just jumping in puddles with your welly boots was just a great time.

Alistair [19:01 – 19:17]: Yeah. And, you know, going back to the old swim parks and everything, they were absolutely brutal. But you didn’t think that you might come off and split? I think I did once come off and split my head, but, you know, you did. You know, you just got back on and went and did it again.

Dawn [19:17 – 19:26]: Just what you’re used to, isn’t it? It’s normal. And are you into walking, Alistair? Because there’s a big walk, isn’t there, from.

Alistair [19:26 – 20:46]: I am into walking, but I wasn’t really at that time, so I would go walks and some of the ones I would go would be down to the solway along the coast and back up. I had. I was a runner when I was younger. I used to run a lot, so I would, you know, go running to power foot and even further. My grannies, my uncle and his wife, great uncle, I should say. He was an ex gamekeeper. So he lived in this wee place called green hill with really low roofs and there was a couple of ferrets running about the house and stuff like that, you know, real old school. But sometimes you would run out as far as there to go and. But there’s a lovely walk that goes down the river, and the river Annan’s a hugely important part of it. You know, fishing was a big part of the kind of economy there. Although my mum’s dad actually worked in Cochrane’s boilermakers, which was down in Newby. They’re actually from a little village called Newby, which is just down the river. And Cochrane’s was a big employer in the area and did boilers for boats and trains and all sorts of things. But, yeah, the river Anning is a big thing and you can still do a great walk, which is all path now, you’d have to fight through bramble bushes to get there. That’s a really beautiful walk, actually, to go out that way.

Dawn [20:47 – 20:51]: And there’s a route called. Is it the Annandale way as well? Is that the one you’re talking about?

Alistair [20:51 – 20:59]: I’m not sure if that’s the name of it. I wouldn’t know the name of it, but it could be. But there’ll be walks up hills and I’ve tried to remember the names of them.

Dawn [20:59 – 21:02]: Now, there’s a Moffat, Moffett Hills.

Alistair [21:02 – 21:08]: The one starts the Moffat hills. That’s quite a distance away, though, is it?

Dawn [21:08 – 21:12]: Yeah, it’s a 53 miles walking route. If you’re really keen.

Alistair [21:12 – 21:32]: Well, you’d have to be really keen. It must be about that. It must be about that. But you could probably a bit like the West Highland way. You could walk and do it. And also, as I was saying earlier, you can walk the border line. You might have to, you know, sometimes move from one side to the next to make it along. But you can do it. It can be done.

Dawn [21:34 – 21:43]: And you mentioned, is there a stone bridge there as well? It’s quite designed by Robert Stevenson. I love old things. I love these kind of old designy things.

Alistair [21:44 – 22:36]: Beautiful bridge. When you arrive in Annan that goes over a stone bridge. Now. I don’t know, again, I don’t know, my research, we just arrived and that was it. And we’d be cheering. When we arrived. And we passed the sign that said Annan, we thought, whoa, we’re in Annan. But it’s a beautiful old bridge and. Yeah, that’s very much. There’s lots of these kind of striking features in the place. If you like your old buildings and you like a bit of a local history, it’s worth checking out. In fact, have you seen the television programme where the presenter goes from town to town? I think it’s called in my town, something like that. He’s a visually impaired presenter and he goes with his guide dog. I think they’re all on BBC iplayer. And he did one in Annan and that’s if you’re interested in what I’m talking about. He’ll give you real dates and times and people and places on that.

Dawn [22:36 – 22:45]: Oh, that’ll be interesting. Have a look at that. The solway is that of scandinavian origin. Do you know, about that, the name.

Alistair [22:45 – 23:18]: Of it, it could be. There’s lots of cook named places in the area, which is a scandinavian for church. And so I don’t know if it is or not, but it’s. It was a place where, I think, kind of border raids happened, you know, the fights for the rights of the lands on the solway and fishing rights and all sorts of things. I think the Vikings would have been in and around that area at some point, considering how far down the coast they went, and then over to Ireland as well.

Dawn [23:19 – 23:24]: The wicker man was filmed round in a boat down that area, wasn’t it? Were you a boat for that?

Alistair [23:24 – 23:33]: A little bit before my time, but actually, Don, it’s one of my favourite films. I love the Wicker man in a big, big way.

Dawn [23:33 – 23:38]: I didn’t know. I always thought it was up north, further north it was filmed, but I.

Alistair [23:38 – 24:47]: Think it was filmed nearer, kind of Castle Douglas way, so slightly more into Galloway. I think that’s right. I’m not entirely sure I should know because I’ve read books about the making of the Wicker man. I think that’s right. And where they got that lovely sunset. And I think that’s all filmed on the mainland. And I should know where the house is that the Lord Summer Isle stays as well. I can’t remember. But, yeah, you’re right. It’s in that Dumfries and Galloway area. And what I would say is a lot of people overlook not just Annan, but Dumfries and Galloway in general. I think that’s partly because they built the M 74. Right. You know, beside it. So if you were travelling from Glasgow to Carlisle, for instance, you would go through Annan. That was one of the main roads, so it was really busy thoroughfare. And then, of course, that changed, and a lot of these places are forgotten for that reason. I’ve spoken to a lot of people who live in Galloway and love it, and it’s a beautiful part of the world, as is Dumfries, but a lot of people forget about it on their way up to the central belt or even on their way up to the Highlands.

Dawn [24:47 – 25:08]: Mm hmm. I do the same. I come from the northeast and I get over to Carlisle and straight up in the motorway and, you know, it’s such a boring. I am used to driving in the Highlands and I love, you know, actually doing something with your brain and actually driving a car around corners. That’s what straight line is, boring. So I don’t know why, but it’s just. It’s quicker, I think, isn’t it?

Alistair [25:08 – 25:54]: And it’s a good bit quicker, which is why they did it. What I would say is, if you’re ever visiting Ann, and instead of just jumping back on at the motorway, head out towards Lochmaben and Beatock. And those be back roads, because they’re beautiful roads to drive and they’re quiet these days. Unless you get stuck behind a tractor, which can help, you’ll come out kind of near Moffat. So it’s quite a nice drive and it doesn’t take that much longer than it would on the motorway. But if you want to go, say you were going up to Ayrshire, that drive Dumfries, Galloway, Castle Douglas, and then up the corner, up past Killane Castle and into Ayres. That’s beautiful drive.

Dawn [25:55 – 26:14]: I’ve never done that. I’ve actually looked at properties over in Annan and over that way, because it is. I think I saw it one time on escape to the country, and I was like, oh, I’d love to be over there, but I’ve never, never made it. Do you think, is that somewhere you would ever, you think, maybe have a wee retirement tool? Or is it not for you?

Alistair [26:16 – 27:48]: Now, it’s interesting you talk about escape to the country because it’s a programme. I used to work in television. Well, I used to subtitle television. I didn’t work in television. I subtitled the Telly for a few years, and I remember doing an escape to the country, kind of in Perthshire, and I thought, oh, that would be quite nice. And my brother’s up in Braemar, so it’s not that far. So I think I might think of going further north than there. But my brother saw a programme, a property programme, and one. He must have read it online or something, and there was a beautiful old house which overlooked the river, and it was quite inexpensive in terms of, you know, how much. And he kind of went, oh, that would be good to maybe buy as a holiday home or something. But then cents kicked in and, you know, and I went, no, I don’t. I don’t think that’s right. And I kind of wonder if you were to go back there, if that would spoil the memories that we have of it when we were kids, because it’d be such a different thing. I don’t know. But it was nice to go back and visit and I think it made me feel I should visit more often. But my mum’s got connections still there. I don’t really have connections there anymore, although I’ve still got family on mum’s side who are farmers. They’ve been farming in the area, and some of them are still down in that area and teaching and doing all sorts of things. But, yeah, I don’t know is the answer. There’s some lovely spots. There are some absolutely gorgeous spots.

Dawn [27:48 – 27:51]: Yeah. Like you said, it will spoil it.

Alistair [27:51 – 28:44]: It’s nice to consider, I think, definitely something I would. I’d like to mention, if it’s okay. One of the things they do every summer now, border towns have their ridings of the marches. They have their kind of celebrations every summer, and Annan had the riding of the marches every year. And we like people because it’s a country area, there’s lots of horses and that kind of thing. And people would get dressed up in the hunting. I don’t know if they actually hunted. I never suddenly crossed my mind if there was actually hunts going on, but they were dressed up in that way and they were blowing horns and they were on horseback, and everyone went down and cheered and all that kind of stuff. And I have to mention this, or my mum would kill me. There’s always a queen of the border each year, and my mum was once queen of the border with the crown and the staff and all that. Yeah. I think she’d only be about 15 or 16, maybe.

Dawn [28:45 – 28:47]: Is that like a gala or something? Is that. What is it?

Alistair [28:47 – 28:57]: It’s a gala. It’s a kind of gala. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All over the borders. But the Annan one’s called the riding of the marches, and that’s because it’s nearly all done on horseback.

Dawn [28:57 – 29:02]: That’s an amazing thing to watch. I mean, obviously, I don’t agree with the hunting side of it, but I.

Alistair [29:02 – 29:12]: Don’T know if they did, you know, I don’t know. They weren’t dressed in red things and, you know, it was. It seemed more ceremonial. But I could be wrong about that. That could be me being naive, kid.

Dawn [29:13 – 29:37]: You know, you don’t think about that. But no, it’s just been part of that. I, on my other podcast I did, I hadn’t ever heard of this gala when there’s queen queens and such like. And I did an episode that talked about Lockerbie, something that happened in Lockerbie, and that was the first time I heard about it, and it sounded amazing. And my sister and I were saying, why did we never have anything like that? That would have been so cool, so interesting.

Alistair [29:37 – 30:55]: It seems to be a real border town thing because they have it in Jedburgh and gala shields and all of these places. And. Yeah, the more I’m thinking, I think it was more about. You talked about the Wicker man earlier. There was more about kind of celebrating the summer and, you know, almost like a kind of harvest festival aspect to it, but on horseback, if that makes sense. Yeah. And they used to have fancy dress competitions where you would get dressed up, going, and one year, this. This ages me. It was the year after Scotland got put out, the World cup in 1978, or it was maybe that summer, and Ali’s tartan army, Ally McLeod’s tartan army, came back with her tail between her legs and everything. And we got dressed up as Ali’s battered army and we were like, in football strips with bandages and all that around us, and took part in this parade. We were on my uncle Alec’s van and I met talking to my mum before, about. Before we started talking. I said, how did we get Alec’s van? Why would you let us have this van? But, yeah, it was, again, that idea of kind of. You wouldn’t get that in Glasgow, or at least, you know, not that way. So it was a really interesting kind of very different experience.

Dawn [30:56 – 31:01]: I like that. It’s like all communities coming together. You can do that in the weird places, can’t you?

Alistair [31:01 – 31:13]: Yeah, it was stuff like that because the leader of the march might be the local hairdresser, and then there would be the farmers, and then there would be. The schools would take part and, you know, it really did bring the community together, no doubt about it.

Dawn [31:13 – 31:38]: I’m talking about events that take place. Have you ever been to the Annan Harbour festival? Have you ever been down when you’ve. No, no. It’s on every year and it’s on towards the end of your September time. And it just sounds. It doesn’t sound as good as the writing thing about, but it’s just cooking demonstrations, you know, food and drink and crafts and arts and lightning.

Alistair [31:38 – 33:09]: Sounds like that’s much more recent than I would have been, but it sounds like a good thing to visit. And I think. I think, from what I could tell last time, Annan’s really trying hard to have a bit of a regeneration in terms of trying to make it more of a destination for tourism having. They’ve got Annan distillery. That’s where my mum went for lunch that day. They’ve got their own distillery down there that’s new. They’ve got a lot more kind of brown sign spaces, you know, historical. They didn’t really play on their history back then. The other, I talked about fishing industry, but the other big industry in the seventies and eighties and into the nineties was there was the chapel cross power station down there, which was a huge power station, and a lot of people worked there. And then that closed, as you can imagine, and has been flattened. When we were. When we used to go down to Annan in the car, a game that we always played was the first person to see Chapel cross from the motorway. And you can still see the kind of where it was. But they’ve not got these big cooling towers that they had previously. But I think it was really struggling in the eighties and nineties for that reason. Apologies if that’s not correct, but that was the feeling I got when a big industry kind of left, as it did in so many places. I get the feeling it’s really trying to kind of reclaim its own identity with lots of different things going on. So that harbour festival sounds perfect for that. And something I might cheque out at some point.

Dawn [33:10 – 33:19]: And you think it can do that, then? Has it got the, you know, the structure about it, that it can actually make it a little tourist spot destination?

Alistair [33:19 – 34:06]: So it’s close to lots of lovely countryside? It’s close. It’s got a lot of its own identity, historically. Lots of old buildings, statues, that kind of thing. Lovely. It’s got the river with everything that goes on down there. And an athletic football are doing better than they used to when I was a kid. They are now doing all right. So, yeah, I think it could do that. I think it probably is doing that. And what I was really impressed the last time I was there was how busy it was. It really was busy. And it looked to me like a lot of them would be tourists. So I think, yes, I think it can, and I think it is doing that, to be honest.

Dawn [34:07 – 34:07]: Good.

Alistair [34:07 – 34:14]: But that’s. That’s taken from, like, a couple of experiences recently. As I say, I kind of haven’t been for a long time.

Dawn [34:14 – 34:18]: Yeah. So do you get any. Have you got any plans to go again soon or.

Alistair [34:18 – 35:17]: Well, Andy, my brother and I always talk, or often talk about the two of us going and just walking the streets that we used to go. And I think we will do that, no doubt about it. Go up and walk around the crescent, up Hecklegarth, which was the name of the street, another great name, Hecklegarth. And maybe even walk down the pipeline, if we can still do that, and look at the fields where we used to make the tree houses and carver names, and the railway bridge where we used to wave at the drivers, you know, that kind of stuff that you did and. Yeah, I walk down to the solway and probably go to power foot. Yeah. And do all the things that we used to do and just kind of refresh our memories for all those things. I don’t know if the tennis courts and the putting are still open. That used to be a regular thing, but yeah, we do that and we fish tea and paganis would just kind of round the whole thing off.

Dawn [35:17 – 35:29]: God, you know, I’ve not heard of fish teas for a wee while. Fish teas? Yeah. You can’t beat a cup of tea in a fish shop. That sounds like a lot. I think that’s a nice idea. We video it though, so you’ve got it.

Alistair [35:29 – 36:12]: We’ll certainly be taking lots of pictures and selfies with it when we do. If we do, I’m sure we will, actually. And I’m sure Andy would love to take his son down and show him, you know, where we kind of went and played as well. I think the swing parks will be more child friendly than they were in early, but it was just like, you know, kicking, picking a football till it was past dark and you couldn’t see it anymore. And it was. I think it was because my mum grew up there and she felt safe, so she felt safe, us just, you know, getting up in the morning and chewing, see us for the rest of the day and it was fine. And she never worried, you know, at all.

Dawn [36:13 – 36:29]: These are the days, eh? I remember these days as well, showing my age as well. When you said the football, see, when you said about the football and how Ali. I thought you were going to talk about Ali McCoys. That’s my era. I didn’t know that. Oh, I know. Oh, no, I don’t know him.

Alistair [36:30 – 36:58]: No, no, that’s, uh. Admit I watched him play a game of handball. Ali McCoys back in the day, East Kobride boy, I was canvas lang, so we. I used to go up Teesco bride quite a bit. But no, Ali Macleod would have been before your time. He was the manager in 78 and I was only eight years old. There was only a kid myself, but yeah, it was. It kind of traumatised the nation when we went to Argentina thinking we were going to win the World cup. And then we’re just battered.

Dawn [36:59 – 37:03]: It’s gotta be a bit better, though. I remember it always used to be getting battered.

Alistair [37:03 – 37:06]: Yeah. No, recently it certainly has.

Dawn [37:07 – 37:15]: Alistair. It’s been really, really good listening to you talking about your childhood memories. I’ve loved it, really. Thank you.

Alistair [37:15 – 37:30]: It’s been lovely it’s been lovely to think about those days and kind of think about time spent in Annan, where it really was a. An escape for us all, you know, it was. That’s how it felt anyway. A real escape to the country.

Dawn [37:32 – 37:39]: You had to get that in, didn’t you? Can you tell everybody where they can find Scottswehy?

Alistair [37:39 – 38:32]: Well, yes, absolutely. Scottswahe.com is where the website is, and on there you’ll find all the podcasts. And also, I should say, I do a radio show on Cam Glen radio every Sunday night between seven and nine. You can find the links there to that show, too, but there’s lots of reviews and the podcast interviews and a whole lot more. On the website, you’ll find the Scottswahi podcast. If you just put in Scotsway Hay, that’s s c o t s w h a y h a e, wherever you get your podcast from. I know we all say that these days, but it’s true. It’s on everything. And then we’ll go on social media as well. Same spell in the scots way, hey, on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter, or X, as it is now known. But yeah, so that’s where you can find everything. Scots with heish.

Dawn [38:36 – 40:33]: So Annan, according to Undiscovered Scotland, is probably derived from the gallic goddess of prosperity, Annu. And according to visit Scotland, Annan is a town on the north shore of the Solway Firth, lying on the east side of the River Annan and being about 8 miles or 13 kilometres from the english border, the Solway Firth estuary, which forms part of the border between England and Scotland, between Cumbria and Dumfries and Galloway, and is the third largest estuary in the UK. Being a special area of conservation comprises coastal dunes, salt marshes, raised mires and agricultural land. If you’re a bird lover, there are also two nature reserves along the coastline where, according to Visit Scotland, you can see thousands of barnacle and pink footed geese from autumn until spring. And I did, you know, is that the american heavy metal band Slipknot released a song called Solway Firth in July 2019, which was named after the Firth. I also mentioned the Annan Harbour Festival, which takes place in September each year and is a fun and free family event with a range of activities including cooking demonstrations, food and drink, crafts, children’s entertainment, live music and boats, fishing and heritage displays. You can visit annanharbour.org dot uk for more information. And that’s almost the end of the episode. If you have enjoyed this episode and would like to hear more Alister’s Billy Connolly esque voice. Then, like Alister said, you can find Scotsway. Hey, podcast. Wherever you get your podcasts, a link to this, as well as to everything mentioned in this episode will be in the show notes as well as on our website, cluranton.com scottishdigest that’s Cluaranton.com scottishdigest. We hope you join us next time for another wee slice of Bonnie Scotland.


S2. Stefanie's Scottish Favourites: From Cromarty's Pirate Graveyard to Millport's Crocodile Rock

S2.
Stefanie’s Scottish Favourites: From Cromarty’s Pirate Graveyard to Millport’s Crocodile Rock

Welcome to the second episode of Season two. In this episode, Dawn chats with Stefanie, host of the podcast Scottish & Scared, about her favourite places in Scotland: Cromarty and Millport. Stefanie shares her experiences exploring the picturesque village of Cromarty, known for its historic charm and the eerie Pirate’s Graveyard, which is adorned with Memento mori symbols. She also reminisces about childhood trips to Millport, an island famed for its scenic bike rides, unique rock formations like Crocodile Rock, and its family-friendly atmosphere. Stefanie’s vivid descriptions offer listeners a delightful glimpse into these lesser-known Scottish gems. Whether you’re a history buff or simply looking for travel inspiration, this episode has something for everyone. Tune in to discover the beauty and mystery of Cromarty and Millport.

 

FEATURED:

Stefanie from the Scottish & Scared Podcast

 

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00:00:00: Introduction to Episode Two of Scottish Digest
00:01:17: Welcoming Stephanie to the Podcast
00:02:25: Discussion on Favourite Places in Scotland
00:02:39: Stephanie’s First Favourite Place: Cromarty
00:03:34: Description of Cromarty and the Drive from Glasgow
00:04:23: Exploring Cromarty Village
00:06:31: Searching for the Pirate’s Graveyard
00:08:16: Discovering the Pirate’s Graveyard
00:10:04: Explanation of the Pirate’s Graveyard Name
00:11:27: Cromarty’s Waterfront and Additional Attractions
00:12:13: Visiting the Fishertown Inn
00:13:12: Proximity to Inverness and Scenic Drive
00:14:38: Stephanie’s Second Favourite Place: Millport
00:15:25: Location and Travel to Millport
00:16:20: The Crocodile Rock
00:17:02: Childhood Memories and Activities in Millport
00:18:16: Family Visits and Cycling Around Millport
00:19:26: Wildlife and Puffin Incident
00:19:56: Other Attractions in Millport
00:20:33: Future Plans to Revisit Millport
00:21:42: Contrast Between Glasgow and the Countryside
00:23:08: Millport Raft Race
00:24:01: Conclusion and Where to Find Scottish and Scared
00:25:06: Additional Information on Cromarty
00:26:07: Additional Information on Millport
00:28:09: Millport Events and Conclusion

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Dawn [0:00 – 0:49]: Welcome to episode two of Scottish Digest. In this episode, we will be speaking to Stefanie from the podcast Scottish and scared, who will be talking to us about our favourite places in Scotland being Cromarty and Millport. Stefanie is the host of the podcast Scottish and scared, where she discusses everything from haunted castles to ghost stories and mythological creatures from across Scotland. So if you’re interested in scottish history, horror, or just love a good ghost story, this is the podcast for you.

 

Stefanie [0:49 – 1:17]: So today, my lovelies, we are back in the wonderful city of Edinburgh. We are going to be talking about the Edinburgh vaults. You may have heard of them before, they’ve been investigated by ghost adventures most haunted, and we all know how I feel about those shows, but yes, they are renowned for being extremely haunted and are open to the public for tours. I myself have been on a tour of the vaults and had what I would consider a very strange experience. So I’ll tell you all about that later on in the show.

 

Dawn [1:17 – 1:21]: Hiya, Stefanie. It’s really great to have you on the podcast. How are you doing?

 

Stefanie [1:22 – 1:24]: I’m absolutely great. How are you?

 

Dawn [1:24 – 1:34]: I’m really good. Pleased to be speaking to you again. It’s been. It’s been a year since I’ve last seen you, mind, it was at the ghost hunt was the last time I’ve seen you. That was about this time last year, wasn’t it?

 

Stefanie [1:34 – 1:42]: Yeah. I can’t believe that’s been a year. Doesn’t feel like a year, this entire year. I just think it. I’m like, it’s November. What? It was November.

 

Dawn [1:43 – 1:52]: I know, aye. So, steph, before we talk about your favourite places in Scotland, can you just tell us a bit about you and Scottish and scared?

 

Stefanie [1:52 – 2:18]: Yep. So I’m Stefanie, I’m the host of the scottish and Scared podcast, and it is just a podcast talking about scottish history, scottish folklore, scottish myths, legends, ghost stories, haunted castles, all the creepy stuff that people want to know about Scotland. So, yeah, it’s about. It’s about all that kind of stuff. So if you like ghost stories or you just like history, it’s probably a good podcast for you listening.

 

Dawn [2:18 – 2:22]: And you’ve got a great accent as well, so that’s nice to listen as well.

 

Stefanie [2:24 – 2:25]: I’ve got a niche.

 

Dawn [2:25 – 2:38]: You do, you do. Brilliant. So you’ve got a couple of places you want to talk about today, isn’t there? So can you tell us what’s your first favourite place that you like to visit and why?

 

Stefanie [2:39 – 3:34]: So, my first favourite place is the wee village of Cromartie, and it is about a four hour drive from Glasgow, so that’s where I live. So it’s about a four hour drive north of Glasgow. The drive alone is beautiful. You go through Glencoe and stuff, you get to see the mountains, the wildlife. It’s honestly really, really stunning. We decided to go there last year in the summer when Scotland had that really nice summer, and we just decided to go see some places in Scotland that we’ve been talking about. I think it’s a bit different, actually getting the vibe of the place, rather than just looking at pictures and stuff. So one of the places that my cousin had researched was a place called the pirates graveyard. So we weren’t actually sure where it was. We just knew it was called the pirates graveyard, looked at a wee bit more, seen that it was in Cromarty, and then just decided to go. So, like I say, it’s a bit.

 

Dawn [3:34 – 3:39]: You’d never been to Cromarty before, had you? Because I’d not even heard of it. Until you said I was exactly the.

 

Stefanie [3:39 – 3:48]: Same, I’d never really heard of it. I’d never even really heard of the Black Isle either, because it’s located on the eastern point of the black Isle. I’d never even heard of that.

 

Dawn [3:48 – 3:51]: Neither did I, I’m ashamed to say. I was like, ah, that’s all right.

 

Stefanie [3:53 – 4:23]: I know it was shameful, but, yeah, it’s about a four hour drive north of Glasgow, like I say. And it’s. It’s one of the villages where it’s like one road in, one road out, and it’s. It’s very off the beaten path, it’s big wind and country road, so again, it’s a beautiful drive, but it’s a really small, like, 18th century kind of village and it’s only got a population about 700, so that’s not a lot, considering me coming to the big city of Glasgow is like, what I know.

 

Dawn [4:23 – 4:26]: Everybody will know everybody’s business, definitely.

 

Stefanie [4:26 – 4:30]: Well, definitely. We got there and people were staying quite a bit, so.

 

Dawn [4:30 – 4:35]: And friendly, because obviously Scots are always scottish, people are always friendly, so.

 

Stefanie [4:35 – 4:50]: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, a lot of people were just driving by the cars, just staring at me, but, I mean, I do look a bit like, what is that? Walking over there in the best way possible. In the best way possible.

 

Dawn [4:51 – 4:57]: Hey, Stefanie, what do you mean? You got your tattoos, haven’t you? Is that what you’re meaning?

 

Stefanie [4:57 – 5:04]: Yeah, because it was. It was a height this summer, so obviously you have everything that people don’t usually see, so everybody was about like, oh, where’s that?

 

Dawn [5:05 – 5:15]: And you like to wear, you know, you like to be like Halloween, don’t you? Because we’re supposed to. You were going to do a Halloween party and I said, oh, I don’t know what I’ll dress up as. And you said, I always look like Halloween.

 

Stefanie [5:15 – 5:25]: Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, I think of people that know me would class me as goth, but, I mean, I’m just. Halloween is my aesthetic. Really. Halloween in horror movies?

 

Dawn [5:27 – 5:34]: Oh, I like that. But I. So tell us, what was it like? So it was just this one street going in and out.

 

Stefanie [5:34 – 6:26]: So it was one road going in. And then when you. You’ll know when you get to the village, because it’s. You’ll see there’s an oil rig just, like, off the coast, like this huge, big oil rig. And I spoke to my dad about it because my dad knows a lot about that kind of stuff. And he said that that’s kind of where they go when they get, like, decommissioned and stuff. So you’ll see them, like, just in the water. So you’ll see them first, and then you obviously see the village, but there’s, like, a small wee car park just as you pull in. So if you just pull into the car park, that’s what we did. And then we just go and kind of explored a wee bit. But it’s just. It’s a really beautiful weed wee village. It’s. There’s a lot of mix of, like, different buildings. There’s townhouses, like, really grand looking townhouses. And then you’ve got, like, small cottages, you’ve got thatched roof cottages, and then you’ve got, like, wee fishermen cottages that are all, like, painted different colours. So it’s just really beautiful place to just wander about and have a wee look.

 

Dawn [6:26 – 6:30]: All right, mix. So where did you go? What did you see when you were there, then?

 

Stefanie [6:31 – 8:15]: So we were looking for the. The pirate’s graveyard, but we didn’t actually. We can actually see it on a map because it’s not called the pirate’s graveyard. It’s actually called St. Regulus’s graveyard. So we didn’t know that. So we were walking about this town. We didn’t want to ask anybody because we didn’t want to look weird. Why are they looking for graveyard? So we just kind of explored to be back. There was loads of shops and stuff, and there was a courthouse in the middle of the village that we thought was a church because it kind of looks quite church like. So we just thought, oh, well, there must be a. There must be a graveyard here somewhere. So we went into this, like, back path behind this big grand courthouse and we walked up this big massive hill and it was roasting. But we did get to the top. The graveyard wasn’t there, but there was another graveyard at the top. And I don’t know if there’s war memorials and stuff there, but it’s just loads and loads and loads of graves. There’s like a. It looks like it used to be an old chapel or something and it’s like ruined now, but it’s really beautiful. I took some pictures and stuff and then we had to walk all the way back to the village to find out where this graveyard was. But if you walk to the end, if you’re in the middle of the village and you walk to the end of Church street, you’ll find there’s a wee church called East Church. And it’s got a cemetery as well. And it’s a really beautiful cemetery. There’s also, like, it’s just very that vibrant. Loads of overgrown trees, grass, and the graves are all mossy and stuff like that. So that’s a really beautiful wee cemetery. If you’re into that kind of thing, you can go in there. And I think you actually go into the church as well. I think it was like one of the first presbyterian churches that was ever built in Scotland or something like that.

 

Dawn [8:16 – 8:21]: Is that the church that you sent? Because you sent me a lot of photos. Is that one of the wee steeple at the front of it?

 

Stefanie [8:22 – 9:26]: No, that’s the. That’s the courthouse we thought was a church. But this church is a wee bit. Is a bit further down. But again, I think you can go inside and you can do tours and stuff and they’ll tell you about different history and stuff. But because we were there for one thing, we didn’t really look at a lot of stuff. We just were there to do that one thing. But eventually we asked. We were into a wee pub that was in the middle of the village and asked the bar maid and she was like, oh, no, it’s here. So if you’re looking for it and you’re in the middle of the village, you want to just walk straight to the bowling green. There’s like a bowling green in the far side the village, and once you see the bowling green, there’s like this really big hill and really steep hill. There’s not a lot of signage, but if you just follow the hill, you’ll come to this, like, really eerie looking tunnel. And it’s like. It’s got a locked gate on it and stuff like that. It’s really dark. It looks really scary. And that’s the servants tunnel. And that actually leads to Cromarty House, but it’s obviously not in use anymore, so it’s all kind of, like, gated up, but it’s very creepy. It’s supposed to be haunted as well, so we took a lot of pictures of that as well.

 

Dawn [9:26 – 9:30]: You can’t get close to it. There’s a. You know, I love these old, scary places.

 

Stefanie [9:30 – 9:30]: Yeah.

 

Dawn [9:30 – 9:32]: Can’t get close to it at all.

 

Stefanie [9:33 – 10:03]: I’m not sure if you can go to Cromwell House, if you can go there. We never really looked at it that much, but I know that that tunnel is there. So if you’re looking for the graveyard, once you see the tunnel on your right, there’s like, a small, like, stony staircase to your left. It’s really hard to miss because it’s just in between all the bushes and stuff. But if you follow that staircase, it will take you into the pirates graveyard. So that’s. We eventually got there sweating, warm, moaning so is it.

 

Dawn [10:04 – 10:12]: Is it. Okay, I’m going to ask a stupid question. Is it called the pirates graveyard because it’s. Pirates are buried there. Well, what’s the story?

 

Stefanie [10:12 – 10:46]: Funnily enough, there are no pirates buried there. But the reason that it’s called the pirates graveyard is because I would say, like, 80% of the graves in there, they have memento mori carved onto them. If you don’t know what memento Mori is, just this kind of, like, artistic trope that you usually see on, like, really mediaeval graves. You can sometimes see it on masonry, you sometimes see it in art and stuff like that, but it almost always has skull and crossbones. You have seen the skull and crossbones, probably, and stuff.

 

Dawn [10:46 – 10:50]: Oh, I can see on one of them, I’m looking at eye. I can see the skull and cross bones.

 

Stefanie [10:50 – 11:26]: Yeah. So you usually. Momentum worry will always have a skull and crossbones, and that just kind of symbolises the inevitability of death and. But can sometimes the other. They include other symbols as well, like hourglasses and bells and stuff. That just depends what kind of person designed it and stuff. But obviously, momentum warrior is latin for remember, you will die. So that’s why this graveyard is called the pirates graveyard, just because they are the skull and crossbones. But it’s quite fitting, though, because when you’re in that graveyard, you can. It’s like. It’s on, like, a steep hill and it looks at onto the ocean. So it’s like very like pirates of tea.

 

Dawn [11:27 – 11:41]: So is this the picture? Because I know you’ve got a couple of places. So is the street. I’m looking. Is it right by the water? I’m looking at the pictures you sent me. Is it got a beach by?

 

Stefanie [11:41 – 11:42]: Yeah, crawl by. It’s got a beach.

 

Dawn [11:42 – 11:43]: It’s h. Right.

 

Stefanie [11:43 – 11:51]: The entire village is basically on the waterfront, so you can walk along the entire village. Majority on the water.

 

Dawn [11:51 – 11:54]: Hey, it looks really nice. It looks beautiful. Jay Yard.

 

Stefanie [11:55 – 12:12]: It is a really stunning place. I really like to go back. Like I say, they do loads of stuff that we never even knew that they did. They do like wildlife tours. You can see dolphins and stuff. They have a cinema. They have loads and loads and loads of stuff today. It’s definitely worth a wee drive in the summer.

 

Dawn [12:13 – 12:18]: Not scorching hot and not wearing a big black jacket in the summer.

 

Stefanie [12:18 – 12:42]: No, but we went to. Once we had our adventure and stuff, we went into the Fishertown Inn as well, which was just like a wee local pub that just had, like, really simple comfort pub food. And it was really, really nice. It was like cosy. The bartender came over, the owner came over on Saturdays and spoke to us and stuff. So it’s a really nice, welcoming place. So, yeah, I highly recommend.

 

Dawn [12:42 – 12:52]: And it’s not sort of a tourist destination, is it? I mean, like I said, I hadn’t heard of it before. You hadn’t? It’s not. Did you see. Was it busy when you. When you got there? Were you seeing a lot of tourists?

 

Stefanie [12:52 – 13:12]: There was a lot of cars in the car park, but it was. It wasn’t even busy. Like, you could walk and go see somebody for a couple of minutes. It wasn’t like pandemonium or anything. It’s like air or something like that during the summer. So as I think that’s due to the fact that it’s like a four door driveway. Classical so. But it is really, really stunning. Really, really beautiful.

 

Dawn [13:12 – 13:21]: And it’s not far from Inverness. It’s about 40 minutes drive from Inverness, I think. So it’s not. It’s not that awfully beaten track. Or is it. When is it. Is it wee roads you’re on or.

 

Stefanie [13:22 – 13:40]: Yeah, it’s like big open fields are just like grass and trees and stuff, like, on the way in. It’s just like a country road, but it’s very open. There’s lots of, like, fields and there’s like a wee place you can stop just before you get to cromry and it’s like a wee. You know those vending machines you see sometimes that sell, like, vegetables and eggs and milk? One of them.

 

Dawn [13:40 – 13:51]: Weird that when I found out about that, I’m like, what, in a vending machine? And did you stay over or did you just stay for the day, a few hours?

 

Stefanie [13:51 – 14:38]: No, we just. We just went for the day. We just went to take a few pictures and look at. We about. Speak to some of the people that were there. The people are really, like, if you have any questions or anything, like we asked about in the pirate’s graveyard, there’s like. There’s like a slope in the middle that you can walk down and there’s a crypt at the bottom of it and you can go inside it and there’s like four graves inside it, like, really small ones. And it was a bit odd. And we were. We asked, obviously, what it was and apparently there used to be like a. Like a chapel in front on top of it that’s obviously no longer there. So, like, just. You can ask people, they’re no, like, oh, God, tourists. They’re quite happy to just sit and have a week at me and talk about stuff and so I really enjoyed it.

 

Dawn [14:38 – 14:46]: It sounds lovely. Sounds. I like that. And going by the pictures, it looks beautiful. And didn’t even know it existed.

 

Stefanie [14:47 – 14:48]: Neither did we.

 

Dawn [14:49 – 14:53]: All right, then. So tell us about your second place.

 

Stefanie [14:53 – 15:24]: So my second favourite place is the famous Malcolm. It’s my favourite because as a kid, I think a lot of people my age that are from here, we have a great aunt and a great uncle who don’t have kids, so they just treated us like their kids. And they used to take us to Malport, like, every second weekend or something like that, especially during the summer. So we spent a lot of our summers on Malport, like, doing the bike rides and crocodile rock and all that kind of stuff.

 

Dawn [15:25 – 15:31]: First of all, tell us where. About how far away from Glasgow is that, then? How long did it take you to get there? Because it’s over the ferry, isn’t it?

 

Stefanie [15:32 – 15:58]: Yeah. I’m not really sure, to be honest. I’ve not been in a very long time. I know that. It’s obviously, you get the ferry from Largs, so I don’t know how long it is for Glasgow to larks. I’m terrible with distances, by the way. Miles have lost on me the idea. But you get to largs and you get the ferry for largs, but I’m not really sure how long that entire distance is.

 

Dawn [15:59 – 16:18]: I didn’t. It’s another place I didn’t know about at all. I didn’t. I didn’t know it was an island. I didn’t know it was near Arran, because I covered a case of my other podcast on Arran, and I didn’t. No idea. So it was just like, oh, I like this place. So tell us. You mentioned it. The crocodile rock. Tell us about the crocodile rock.

 

Stefanie [16:20 – 17:02]: I’m not going to be as fully information as I was about Cromwell, just because it is a childhood place. So I don’t really know much about it. But, yeah, on the beach in Malport, there’s this kind of rock that kind of protrudes from the water, and it’s. Somebody painted it, I don’t know how long ago, but it was there when I was a kid, and that was like 20 years ago. But there’s. They painted it to look like a crocodile, so it gets called crocodile rock, but when they see the tides up, it’s like, fully out of the water. You can climb on it, you can set up. We’ve got loads of. I’ll need to send you some. We’ve got loads of pictures sitting on the rock, but when the tides in, it looks like it’s in the water, so it’s actually quite terrifying.

 

Dawn [17:02 – 17:17]: Bloody. It looks really good. I like it. I was like, what the hell is this? So you said that you went there when you were like a kid? A lot of the time. So what. What did you get up to as kids? It’s kind of a family place. Is it?

 

Stefanie [17:17 – 18:16]: Yeah, it’s, um. We used to. They do this. I don’t know if they still do it, but they do this thing where you can ride it on the island on a bike. So you hire a bike and you just. It’s like a perfect circle. You just go around a circle and there’s loads of things to see. So we used to do that. And there’s the crocodile rock, and then there’s other rocks as well. Around the island. There’s a rock, I’m sure it’s called indian rock, and it’s. I think it was. The same person has painted, like, um, like a native american painting on the front of it, so it looks like a face. And so there’s, like, things like that, I’d say, but that’s huge. That’s, like, on the side of a cliff, and you can see that there’s lion rock, which is just like a big rock that comes up for the hillside. It looks like a line. So we used to do that. We used to just cycle down the island and, like, see the cows and, like, stop at the beach, collect seashells or that kind of gutsy family stuff. And then we would just go for, like, a wee lunch and a wee pub somewhere and then just sit on the beach for a while and go home.

 

Dawn [18:16 – 18:19]: Oh, so you didn’t stay there either? You were just there for.

 

Stefanie [18:19 – 18:34]: I’ve actually never stayed. My dad’s. They used to take my dad and my uncle when they were young as well. It was like a family thing. And they stayed quite a lot in, like, b and b’s and stuff. But we’ve never stayed. We’ve just. Because we had the car and stuff when we were young, we used to just hop back on the ferry and come home.

 

Dawn [18:35 – 18:51]: I like the sound of it being like, a perfect circle because I think it’s apparently called, like, the island of a thousand bicycles, because it’s just. I don’t know whether they’ve got a thousand of them they can rent. I’m not sure why, but it’s just like this. Beautiful. It must have been beautiful. I loved rides when I was young, honestly.

 

Stefanie [18:51 – 19:26]: It’s a really beautiful. The island is beautiful in general, but that ride, that site, I don’t think I could date at this age, if I’m being honest. I think I really like. Right, get the car. But it honestly is. It’s beautiful. And the only thing that I would say is there we had an incident on one of the bike journeys. My dad was standing too close to a tree and, like, puffins attacked them. And I don’t know if, like, there’s puffing mating season or something like that, or puffins have their eggs or something. My dad got attacked with puffins. So there’s puffins on the island as well.

 

Dawn [19:26 – 19:32]: Oh, I’ve never seen a puffin close up, so we didn’t want to see them that close.

 

Stefanie [19:32 – 19:33]: Very aggressive.

 

Dawn [19:33 – 19:36]: They’re only teensy little things as well, aren’t there?

 

Stefanie [19:36 – 19:55]: I think it’s maybe been nesting season or something like that, and my dad’s just got too close. But, yeah, there’s loads of wildlife. There’s rabbits, deer, and there’s a lot of farmland as well, in the root, so you can stop, like, pet cows and stuff like that. And there’s horses. So it’s a really beautiful journey, adventure.

 

Dawn [19:56 – 20:11]: And did you do anything else? Do you remember anything else? Do you remember visiting a wee cathedral or anything there? They’ve got. Apparently they’ve got the world’s or the island’s smallest cathedral, the smallest cathedral in the UK is on the island. Do you remember that?

 

Stefanie [20:11 – 20:33]: I’ve honestly, like, we never really did, like, touristy things. We just went there because it was like our whole families went there, like, since they were small and that was the majority. What we do is just sit on the beach, collect shells, crabs and the bikes and stuff. But I do want to go back as an adult, so I’ll definitely be writing some stuff done and checking it out when I’m there.

 

Dawn [20:33 – 20:38]: Oh, that’ll be good. It’ll be good to have you back on and find out the difference of when you were a kid and what it’s like now.

 

Stefanie [20:39 – 20:41]: Well, definitely no bike rides, I’ll tell you that.

 

Dawn [20:42 – 20:46]: Is it not flat or is it bottom? Hilly? Is it, like, hill?

 

Stefanie [20:46 – 20:52]: Some of it’s flat and it’s not like big, steep hills, obviously, but it’s an incline.

 

Dawn [20:54 – 21:00]: No, I’m not a fan of inclines. Can you get these electric ones now?

 

Stefanie [21:01 – 21:20]: Probably. It’s funny because me, my sister and my cousin used to. We were like, we threesome memorial. And my uncle, who used to take the car, he would drive her in the island, went beside us in the car, on the bikes, just to make sure we were all right. And every time my cousin and my sister would just get up and put the bikes in the boat and they would just get in the car and I would just begin.

 

Dawn [21:21 – 21:22]: Are you joking?

 

Stefanie [21:24 – 21:25]: I was like, I’m looking up.

 

Dawn [21:28 – 21:35]: I used sound like my sister. She’s like that. I remember her doing something similar, just, they would follow her with a car and she just would keep on going.

 

Stefanie [21:35 – 21:42]: Yep, I just loved it. I just love being outdoors and fresh air and the wildlife and the greenery. I just. I love all that.

 

Dawn [21:42 – 21:52]: And it’s different, I suppose, from where you are in Glasgow. Like you say, it’s like a city and then you’re out in the country just a lot. Like, it’s not far away, it’s not like 4 hours up the road. It’s like over the water, isn’t it?

 

Stefanie [21:52 – 22:09]: Yep. Glasgow, it’s just buildings. You don’t really see the sky. I know that sounds crazy, but, like, I can’t look at my window right now and see the sky. Like, there’s just buildings. But when you’re outside and you can actually look up and see the sky and the stars and stuff, it’s like so alien to people that live in the city.

 

Dawn [22:09 – 22:15]: Aye, the stars, because you don’t see that when you’re in the built up areas. But there’s so many of them.

 

Stefanie [22:16 – 22:21]: I went to. I went to Yorkshire a couple of years ago.

 

Dawn [22:21 – 22:22]: What was that for?

 

Stefanie [22:23 – 22:42]: I ended up with sepsis. So, from the water, no shade, Yorkshire. But, yeah, I was stupid. I didn’t realise that you couldn’t drink water in England. Well, some parts of England. I didn’t know that. Just being in Scotland my whole life and no ever travelling to England, I.

 

Dawn [22:42 – 22:42]: Didn’T know that either.

 

Stefanie [22:43 – 22:48]: I got really, really, really ill and I ended up having to be hospitalised when I came home and I had sepsis, so.

 

Dawn [22:48 – 22:51]: All right, then. So you’re definitely a scottish girl.

 

Stefanie [22:51 – 23:04]: He’s staying in Scotland, no shade, Yorkshire. But. Come on. But, yeah, when I went to Yorkshire, the stars, I was see just the stars, being able to see the sky like that, it was so alien, which is just bizarre.

 

Dawn [23:04 – 23:07]: I know. It’s a big world out there, isn’t it?

 

Stefanie [23:07 – 23:08]: Yep.

 

Dawn [23:08 – 23:15]: I know. You’re only there for the day. Did you ever be part of the raft race? The partners do raffle races there every year. Have you ever done that?

 

Stefanie [23:15 – 23:17]: Is that where you build the rafts?

 

Dawn [23:17 – 23:26]: I think so. It’s really competitive. There’s only seven people last year, I think. But they were really coming down to the wire. They were, like, going for it.

 

Stefanie [23:26 – 23:32]: I’ve seen that on the news and stuff, but I’ve never actually done it. I think my dad and my uncle mate, I did something like that when they were young.

 

Dawn [23:32 – 23:33]: I’m sure.

 

Stefanie [23:33 – 23:36]: I’ve seen pictures of them on the beach building stuff.

 

Dawn [23:36 – 23:38]: I think it’s from lurgs to Millport.

 

Stefanie [23:40 – 23:42]: See, I’ve just got so much to learn.

 

Dawn [23:42 – 23:45]: No, get yourself over there as an adult.

 

Stefanie [23:47 – 23:48]: I’ll report back.

 

Dawn [23:49 – 24:01]: So, anyway, Stefanie, it’s been really, really great speaking with you and hearing about Cromarty and Millport. So can you tell everybody, if they want to hear your lovely voice more, where they can find scottish and scared?

 

Stefanie [24:02 – 24:31]: So if you just go to our website, scottishandscared.com, you’ll find all our links on there. We. Our instagram’s on there. Everywhere that you can listen is on there. All the links. But, yeah, just your usual apple, Spotify, Google play, all that kind of stuff. That’s where you’ll get is. You can follow us on Instagram. That’s where we just put up a lot of stories and stuff there. Just things that we’re up to, events are coming up, all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, that’s where you can find us.

 

Dawn [24:35 – 28:49]: So, that was my week chat with Stefanie about Cromarty and Millport. Two of our favourite places in Scotland. While I think Stefanie did a fantastic job painting a picture of Cromarty and Millport, here’s some further information for you. Firstly, about Cromarty, which according to Wikipedia, is a town situated at the tip of the Black Isle on the southern shore of the mouth of the Cromarty and is about a 40 minutes drive north of Inverness. And according to cromartyartstrust.org dot Uk, Cromarty is the Highland’s best preserved historic town, having 209 listed buildings, including a lighthouse which was built by the uncle of Robert Robert Louis Stevenson, who wrote the novel Treasure island. There’s also a thatched cottage and museum, which was the birthplace of Hugh Miller, who was a 19th century geologist. There’s also an 18th century courthouse museum you can visit, which according to cromertocourthouse.org dot Uk, you can come face to face with a tough Highland justice of the time, visit a prisoner and take part in a trial. It also has many exhibitions and collections to see if you’re a cheese lover. You’ll also find in Cromarty an award winning cheese shop where, according to scotlandbucketlist.com, you will find a great selection of authentic dutch cheese. Now, if you’re tempted to visit Cromarty after hearing about Stefanie’s visit there, then you might be interested to know that every march the Cromarty Film festival takes place, where you can expect to see a variety of different films from well known short independent films and those by scottish filmmakers. Next up is Milport. I personally really enjoyed hearing about the lion Rock, the indian rock and the Crocodile rock, which have been around for about 100 years, and cycling around the islands of Cumbri sounded idyllic. According to milport.org comma, the island of Cumbri is referred to as the island of a thousand bicycles simply because Cumbri is a paradise for cyclists. The island of Cumbri is located off the west coast of Scotland, about 36 miles, or 58 kilometres west of Glasgow, so quite near if you fancy a day trip to Millport, and during the summer months, the P’s Waverley, which is the last seagoing passenger carrying paddle steamer in the world, calls Millport twice a week on trips from Ayr in Glasgow, as well as visiting the iconic rocks while you’re visiting Millport, there’s also, as I mentioned, the smallest cathedral in the UK to visit, as well as the Garrison house, which is not far from the cathedral, which was built in 1745, and it also houses an impressive model railway. Theres also a home called the Wedge to visit, which according to Jacksaltstays dot co dot UK comma, was in the Guinness Book of Records for being one of the narrowest houses in the world at 47 inches or 119 centimetres. Although it has now lost the title of being the narrowest in the world, it still holds the title for being the narrowest house in Britain. Sadly, you arent able to go inside this house elsewhere on the island of Cumbria, Jacksaltstays dot co dot UK recommends visiting the Gladestone, which is located at the very top of the island and will give you 360 degree panoramic views of the island. And what about events? Well, I mentioned the Millport raft race in my chat with Stefanie, and after a two year break it began again in September 2023 where, according to Largs and millportnews.com comma, hundreds watched seven raft teams compete from Kames Bay to the pier head. If youre more interested in dry land events, then theres the Millport vintage scooter rally that also takes place over a weekend every September, with the weekend being packed with scooters and bands. Well, I hope you enjoyed hearing about Cromarty and Millport from Stefanie. If youd like to hear more about scottish haunted castles, ghost stories and mythological creatures, then as Stefanie said, you can find scottish and scared wherever you get your podcasts. You can find all links to everything mentioned in this episode by visiting clurinton.com scottishdigest. We hope you join us next time for another wee slice of Bonnie Scotland.


S1 E2 From Familiar Streets to New Beats: Lessons from the Frontline

Season 1 Episode 2

From Familiar Streets to New Beats: Lessons from the Frontline

In this episode, detectives Anthony and Steven share their unique perspectives on policing and detective work. Steven discusses the challenges of policing in ethnically diverse areas in London. He emphasises the importance of a police force that mirrors the community it serves and reflects on the complexities of stop and search practices. Anthony, on the other hand, provides insights into his experiences in the United States, detailing the evolution of police equipment and the importance of building rapport with suspects. Anthony recounts a memorable case involving a meticulous burglar, and Steven highlights the psychological tactics used in interviews. Both detectives offer a candid look at the intricacies of their roles, from everyday patrols to high-stakes anti-terrorism investigations, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the challenges and nuances of modern policing.

 

Want to find out more about Anthony and Steven visit;

Anthony McNeil

Steven Keogh

 

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The Blue Way Podcast is a production of cluarantonn.com

Hosted by Dawn

Edited and Produced by Erin Ferguson

 

Music:

Epidemic by ES_Deepstar – Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen


S1 E1 The Making of a Police Officer: Police Life Unveiled

Season 1 Episode 1

The Making of a Police Officer: Police Life Unveiled

In this episode we hear from Steven Keogh, a retired Metropolitan detective, and Anthony McNeil, a retired Michigan police officer, who share their journeys into law enforcement. Steven reflects on his early days in South London, policing the area he grew up in, and the challenges of transitioning from an accounting career to the police force. Anthony recounts his unexpected path to becoming a police officer, the rigorous training at the academy, and the demanding field training programme. Both discuss the importance of knowing the community they serve and the real-world experiences that shaped their careers. This episode offers a candid look at the personal and professional lives of two seasoned officers.

Anthony McNeil who was a Police Officer with City of Southfield Police Department in Michigan, over a 20 year period from 1992 until 2013. During this time, Anthony worked in a variety of roles, including; patrol, Field Training officer, hostage negotiator and detective. Throughout Anthony’s career he was awarded many department citations and merits, and was named “Everyday Hero” by a local TV station.

Anthony sadly had health issues which forced him off the road in 2008, and into a front desk job, where he worked for five years, but he didn’t enjoy this and so he retired.

Steven Keogh was a Metropolitan Police Officer in London, with his first posting being in 1991 in South London when he was 20 years old. Steven spent half of his 30 year career as a Scotland Yard Detective, ending his career in 2021 as a Detective Inspector in the Murder Investigation Team, where he had been a murder investigator for 12 years. Over his career, Steven helped to hunt down terrorists, when in 2002 he joined Scotland Yard’s Elite Anti-terrorist Branch, where he spent three years, and he also investigated some of London’s worst murder cases. Steven received a commendation in 2005 from the work he carried out on the London 7/7 bombings.

 

If you’d like to find out more about Anthony and Steven visit;

⁠Anthony McNeil⁠

⁠Steven Keogh

TIMECODES:

00:00:00: Introduction and Recent Collaborations

00:00:55: Anthony McNeil’s Background and Career

00:06:04: Early Career and Desire to Start a Business

00:08:46: Steven Keogh’s Background and Career

00:09:58: Steven’s Early Career and Decision to Join the Police

00:12:01: Arresting School Friends and Community Policing

00:13:07: Police Training and Application Process

00:14:51: Medical Examination and Interview Process

00:17:44: Starting at Hendon and Initial Impressions

00:18:52: Life at the Police Academy

00:18:58: Anthony’s Academy Experience and Physical Training

00:21:32: Challenges and Mind Games at the Academy

00:23:48: Proposal to Wife and Balancing Personal Life

00:25:33: Cadet Programme and Entry into the Police Academy

00:28:37: Academic and Practical Training at the Academy

00:31:50: Graduation and Field Training Officer (FTO) Programme

00:34:57: First Traffic Stop and Learning to Handle Situations

00:37:05: Stress and Challenges in the FTO Programme

00:41:27: Balancing Work, Court, and Personal Life

00:42:48: Street Duties and Early Policing Experience

00:45:22: Probation Period and Career Progression

00:49:22: Transition to Detective and Starting a Business

00:51:08: Conclusion and Sneak Peek of Episode Two

 

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Hosted by Dawn

Edited and Produced by Erin Ferguson

 

Music:

Epidemic by ES_Deepstar – Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen


S2. Hidden Gems of Fife: Marti's Top Picks in East Neuk

S2.
Hidden Gems of Fife: Marti’s Top Picks in East Neuk

Welcome to the first episode of Season two, and what a great first episode it is!

In the first episode of season two, Dawn is joined by the fantastic and funny Marti from the podcast Mums, Mysteries and Murder. Originally from Australia, Marti shares her love of Scotland, and specifically the picturesque areas of Elie and Earlsferry in the East Neuk of Fife. Marti discusses the charming fishing villages, scenic beaches, and unique local attractions like the lobster shack in Crail and the mysterious Dunino Den. The conversation also touches on Marti’s podcast, which covers true crime stories from Scotland and Australia. This episode is a delightful blend of travel recommendations, personal anecdotes, and intriguing mysteries, perfect for anyone looking to explore the beauty and quirks of Scotland.

 

FEATURED:

Marti from Mums Mysteries and Murder Podcast

 

SHOW NOTES:

Hidden Gems of Fife: Marti’s Top Picks in East Neuk – Cluarantonn

 

You can listen wherever you get your podcasts, and watch on YouTube.

 

TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00: Introduction to Season Two
00:01:14: Introduction to Mums Mysteries and Murder Podcast
00:02:03: Welcome and Introduction of MartI
00:02:16: MartI’s Move to Scotland
00:04:07: The Cow Parade in Glasgow and Edinburgh
00:05:17: MartI’s Hometown in Australia
00:05:31: Origin of Mums Mysteries and Murder Podcast
00:08:22: Marti’s Favourite Place in Scotland: East Neuk of Fife
00:09:50: Description of Earlsferry Beach
00:10:34: Crail and its Attractions
00:14:27: Marti’s Photos and Experiences in Boar Hills
00:18:36: The Chain Walk and Elie Lighthouse
00:21:02: Dunino Den and its Mysteries
00:25:22:St. Fillan’s Cave in Pittenweem
00:27:47: Other Villages in East Neuk
00:28:59: Ardross Farm Shop
00:29:06: East Neuk Festival
00:30:43: Bowhouse Market
00:31:05: Future Visits to East Neuk
00:33:02: Marti’s Social Media and Podcast Information
00:35:36: Additional Information about Elie and Earlsferry
00:36:37: East Neuk Outdoors Activities
00:37:07: East Neuk Festival Details
00:38:08: Upcoming Episode on Mums Mysteries and Murder Podcast

East Neuk – Wikipedia

Edinburgh to Elie and Earlsferry – Google Maps

East Neuk Festival – East Neuk FestivalEast Neuk Festival | Annual international music & arts festival

10 fascinating facts about… St Andrews and the East Neuk – Scottish Field

Multi Activity Days – East Neuk Outdoors

East Neuk Outdoors – East Neuk Outdoors

The East Neuk of Fife Visitor Guide | Out About Scotland

The East Neuk of Fife – sea views in one of the prettiest parts of Scotland

Elie Earlsferry Beach, Elie – Beaches | VisitScotland

Things to do in Elie – East Neuk of Fife, Scotland

East Neuk of Fife Travel Guide & Things To Do – The Chaotic Scot

Elie and Earlsferry – Wikipedia

Elie & Earlsferry Feature Page on Undiscovered Scotland

Home – Elie & Earlsferry History Society

beauly – Search

Elie Holiday Park at Shell Bay, Fife| Abbeyford Leisure

Home – The Shellfish Shack Fife

(20+) Facebook

Home – Crail Pottery

St Andrews 4 miles-Quiet hamlet-Walk to the Sea! – Cottages for Rent in St Andrews, Scotland, United Kingdom – Airbnb

Elie chain walk – scrambling Scotland’s via ferratta on the Fife coast

Daneger and Stacey – YouTube

Pittenweem Chocolate Company – Pittenweem Chocolate Co.

St. Fillan’s Cave – Pittenweem, Scotland – Atlas Obscura

Ardross Farm

Bowhouse – Replacing the missing link in the local food chain

St Andrews 4 miles-Quiet hamlet-Walk to the Sea! – Cottages for Rent in St Andrews, Scotland, United Kingdom – Airbnb

Fife business – Lady’s Tower

Wikimedia Commons

Market Weekends – Bowhouse

Scottish Digest Podcast is a production of cluarantonn.com

Hosted by Dawn

Written and Produced by Dawn Young

Edited by Erin – Erin Ferguson (@erinfergus0n) • Instagram photos and videos

Map courtesy of openstreetmap

Images courtesty of commons.wikimedia.org/

Music:

Epidemic by ES_The Celtic Flavour – Alysha Sheldon & ES_A Sound Foundation – Airae

 

Production Company Name by Granny Robertson

Dawn [0:00 – 1:12]: Welcome to episode one of season two of Scottish Digest. This season we will be hearing from a variety of people about what their favourite places and areas in Scotland are, what they love about it, and what things they love to do when visiting, as well as hear their food, drink and accommodation recommendations. And of course, I’ll be telling you all about the events and or festivals that take place there each year. We hope you enjoy hearing more about the beautiful places and areas around Bonnie Scotland. In this episode we will be speaking to Marti from the podcast Mums Mysteries and Murder, which is hosted by Marti and Effie. Marti is from Australia, but moved to Edinburgh and Scotland in 2006. A native, Scott, Effie grew up in Aberdeen but now also lives in Edinburgh. Before we hear from Marti and about her favourite places and areas in Scotland, here’s a wee flavour of what you can expect from the Mums Mysteries and Murder podcast.

Marti [1:14 – 1:58]: Hi, I’m Marti. And I’m Effie. And we are mum’s mysteries and murder. We’re mums obsessed with true crime and mysterious happenings in our respective countries. Australia and Scotland. We talked about it all the time, so we thought, screw it, let’s record that shit. And we started a podcast. Each month we bring you an episode from either Scotland or Australia, both well known and less well known. And we might talk about some other stuff in between too. So if you love a bit of true crime, weird accents, you love a mystery and you don’t mind a bit of random chat in between, then this is the podcast for you. You can come and follow us on Instagram, umsmysteries and murder and listen and subscribe where you get your podcasts. Bye.

Dawn [2:03 – 2:05]: So, hi Marti, welcome to the podcast.

Marti [2:06 – 2:07]: Thanks for having me.

Dawn [2:07 – 2:14]: I’m excited. So can you tell us a little bit about you and what brought you to Scotland?

Marti [2:16 – 3:50]: So I moved to Scotland back in 2006. I had been here before, so a very long time ago. It was actually the year 2000. I lived here, but I lived in Cheltenham, further down south, and I’d been to Glasgow for one day, I think I’d been to Edinburgh for half a day when I lived here. So I’d come up, stayed here. The guy that I was going out with at the time, he was working in Glasgow. So I caught the train up and I met him in Glasgow and I stayed here for a couple of days. I stay here, I’m in Edinburgh, but I love the shopping so much. I couldn’t understand what anyone was saying to me. I could not understand. I just kept saying yes to people and that was sort of my experience with Scotland. Like two days. It was literally two or three days that I’d spent here. But I remember the shopping and how amazing the shopping was. So when I went back to Australia and decided that I wanted to come back, Scotland was the first place, not just for the shopping. I’m not that shallow. But I remembered, like, how green everything was. Everything to me. Because Australia is so brown, because it’s quite hot in Australia all the time, most parts of Australia. So, yeah, I actually remember taking pictures of Scotland and being shocked at how green the grass was and how beautiful it was. So when I decided to come back, I thought, I’m just going to try Scotland, see how it is. If I don’t like it, I can move somewhere else. But, yeah, that was sort of like the decision, I think the shopping, the green, the cow parade was on. Do you remember the cow parade?

Dawn [3:50 – 3:52]: No. Nope.

Marti [3:52 – 3:52]: I don’t know.

Dawn [3:52 – 3:54]: The co parade in glass.

Marti [3:54 – 4:07]: You said that like you knew exactly what that was then. No. So it was like a. You will remember it when I explained this. You’ll know exactly what I’m talking about. So they were fibreglass cows and they were painted by different people and then they were auctioned off for charity.

Dawn [4:08 – 4:11]: Do you remember, was it in Glasgow?

Marti [4:12 – 4:24]: It was all over Edinburgh and Glasgow. I think it was Glasgow as well. So they auctioned them off. So I remember saying to my friend that was moving over with me at the time, let’s go to Scotland, because they have good shopping and there’s a cow parade.

Dawn [4:24 – 4:31]: Hose. Oh, my God. I’ve never heard of that. I’m gonna have to ask my gran.

Marti [4:33 – 4:50]: I mean, yeah, it was really. It was a very not well educated decision, to be fair. But I didn’t regret it and I loved it and I’m never leaving, so, I mean, it’s all worked out well in the end, hasn’t it? Cows or no cows, clothes and shopping.

Dawn [4:50 – 4:55]: Okay, and green. Whereabouts in Australia? Whereabouts in Australia? Where you from?

Marti [4:55 – 4:56]: Melbourne.

Dawn [4:57 – 4:58]: All right, okay.

Marti [4:58 – 4:59]: Which one is that?

Dawn [4:59 – 5:00]: Neighbours.

Marti [5:00 – 5:17]: That’s. Yes, that is neighbours. Right down the bottom. I’m actually born in a smaller town that’s just near Melbourne. That guy pearce is from. That’s all we’ve got. That’s the only claim to fame. We’ve got guy. Peace and quicksilver. Quicksilver comes from there as well. Yeah.

Dawn [5:17 – 5:20]: Yeah. Oh, no, guy. Peter is a good one. He’s done well for himself.

Marti [5:21 – 5:28]: Yeah, he’s. He’s a good one to have if you’ve only got one small person. That’s a good person. It’s a good looking person to have, isn’t it?

Dawn [5:31 – 5:36]: And tell us a little bit about the podcast as well. How did that come about? Mum’s mysteries and murder.

Marti [5:36 – 6:12]: So that kind of come about in Covid, pretty much like everyone else’s business did and everyone else’s podcast did. Effie and I would talk about true crime and, you know, we’d send each other links to things all the time. Effie. Effie’s really annoying the way she does it, though. She’s not going to kill me for this because she knows. She knows what she does. She sends me a message that just says OMG and nothing else. And you’re sitting there like, what? What is OMG? What do you tell me what you’re talking about. You’re just sitting there waiting. She’s not even typing. You know, you can see them typing. She’s not even typing.

Dawn [6:12 – 6:16]: Getting your attention first. Are you really paying attention? I’ll tell you the punchline.

Marti [6:16 – 7:42]: That’s what it is. You have to wait and be interested. But, yeah, we would often send each other random little facts about true crime stories that she would send me the most random things about people in Russia and, you know, all this sort of stuff, and I would send her lots of serial killer information because that’s not really her thing. So we sort of started talking about it a little bit and she was quite hesitant at the beginning. I had been a guest on other people’s podcasts to talk about social media, which is my day job. So I was sort of a little bit. Let’s just give it a go. No one will listen. It’s fine. And so I really had to talk her into doing it. But, yeah, it’s worked out really well. We have a really good rapport. We’re sort of at the stage where, because we’ve known each other for so long, we feel quite comfortable speaking to, like, interrupting each other and asking random questions and, you know, she’s very good at asking random questions that I feel like I’m never going to have the answer to and vice versa. And she has lots of very strange stories. She has. We’re similar, but I’m sort of from the city, so I grew up near the city and I’ve always lived near the city and she’s from Aberdeen, but a little bit further away. So sort of like the real country. So the stories that she comes up with are just so bizarre and, yes, so bizarre and so different. But we have this same sort of sense of humour. So I think it sort of works out really well.

Dawn [7:42 – 7:59]: Oh, it does work out, really. And you’ve got some great following amount of, you know, checked out your reviews and you get some lovely reviews and, you know, people, even on social media, you’ve got, you know, people saying how great you are and how much they love your conversations and it’s lovely to see you’ve done really well.

Marti [7:59 – 8:15]: Yeah, it’s a really. Thank you. It’s a really lovely follower base that we have. We have, like, a few certain people that will message us all the time after episodes and I’m thinking, why do you love it so much? It’s really not that good, but I’m not going to tell them that, so it’s fine.

Dawn [8:16 – 8:19]: No, you’ve got something, you know, you’ve obviously got something.

Marti [8:19 – 8:22]: Yeah. All right, then.

Dawn [8:22 – 8:29]: So back to Scotland. We’re here to talk about your favourite place, which is reveal.

Marti [8:29 – 8:37]: Wow. I did say early, but I’m going to be a bit sneaky and say the ace nuke of fife.

Dawn [8:37 – 8:45]: That’s okay. I was like, oh, what are you going to say? Because I’ve not done research. You can do that to me because.

Marti [8:45 – 8:59]: Technically Ely is part of that area, but there’s so many little villages in that whole section and I’m just in love with it. But Ely is the main focus for us, really.

Dawn [8:59 – 9:07]: So, um, we’ve got east Nook and specifically Ely and Earlsbury, because they are joined villages, aren’t they?

Marti [9:07 – 9:50]: Yes. Do you know Earlsbury is. I didn’t really know much about Earlsbury and I don’t really know a lot about it, but the beach at Earlsbury is one of the most beautiful beaches, I don’t want to say in Scotland, because I know there’s Shetland and all those amazing beaches and, like, Harris and all of that, but in this little part of the world, elsewhere, beach is so beautiful and, like, ely’s got such a huge main beach. It’s huge. And, you know, they play cricket. There’s always, like, cricket. It’s really well known for cricket games on there and, like, lots of sporting activities. But the beach at Earls Ferry is just stunning. It’s always deserted as well.

Dawn [9:50 – 10:12]: I saw, I was looking on YouTube and there was a video from a couple called Dan. He’s called Dean. Dean and Stacey, and it’s danger and Stacey. And they showed and I haven’t. Is it like a little cove? Yeah. Oh, that was the video they showed and it was beautiful. So I know which one you’re talking about.

Marti [10:12 – 10:34]: It’s just when you compare it to Ili because Ily is so busy and so full of families. It’s a nice beach, but it’s nothing special. This is going to sound bad. Earls Ferry is just like. I’m almost torn about whether I wanted to mention it because I want it to stay really quiet. When we were there, we could hear seals on the rock out at sea. It was amazing.

Dawn [10:34 – 11:02]: It looks beautiful. I’m going to have to show a picture of that. It’s situated on the northerly part of the firth of force in Fife. It’s about 46 miles, or 74 kilometres northeast of Edinburgh, or about an hour and a half journey. It’s quite small, it’s 40 sq mi and it’s known for its scenic coastline and pretty fishing villages with Petoween and Strother and Creole. Is it Creole?

Marti [11:02 – 13:03]: Yes. I’ve got Crail on the list. I’m so glad you mentioned Crayole. Crail is one of those places. Right, because. So we’ve been going to ily for the last few years, maybe about. For the last four or five years, and we usually stay in the caravan park. I think it’s called Shao Bay Caravan park. Yeah. Which is amazing. It is such a pretty caravan park. I never grew up doing caravan holidays. Right. We were not rich by any means at all, but we never did caravan park holidays when I was little. So this was the first caravan park I’d been to. And it’s just. Yeah, it’s so pretty. I mean, they have the disco, they have the kids disco and all that that you can go to, you know. And I know people aren’t a big fan of that. I mean, we went once and it was brilliant. Yeah. Oh, I mean, it was brilliant. So we usually drive around, we’ll do the St Andrews thing and we’ll go to anstruther and all that sort of thing. But we discovered krail only two years ago and I was like, how have we not found this amazing place? So it’s quite small. It’s really small. You wouldn’t spend the day there. You’d spend maybe half the day there. Right. But it’s one of those places when you walk around the corner and every corner is instagram worthy. I’m not just saying that because I work in social media. It is so beautiful. It’s winding. Like, it’s all really winding and it sort of goes up to like a big cliff top that overlooks the harbour. And there is someone that sells lobster rolls. I think it’s called the lobster shack. I’ve written it down. Lobster shack on the harbour. And you can just go and get a lobster roll in the summer. Oh, my God. It is amazing. And they have the Crail Harbour gallery, where you can get a coffee. And that is sort of right at the top of the harbour. And it just overlooks. If you can get a seat in there, I mean, get in there at 10:00 in the morning because the tourists will be there and there’s no way you’ll get a seat. We’ve never managed to get a seat in there.

Dawn [13:03 – 13:05]: But is it just little or just a little?

Marti [13:05 – 13:42]: Yeah, it’s tiny. And then there’s, like, a little bit that goes outside and sort of. It is just stunning. It is just one of the most beautiful villages I’ve ever seen. There’s like a little krail pottery place. I think it’s just called krail pottery, but it is really small. Like, it’s super small, but it’s just sort of up on a. It’s almost like a. What’s the word? Like a turret. There’s almost like a big sort of turret at the top. It’s really hard to explain, but it is just the most beautiful place. It is gorgeous, yeah.

Dawn [13:42 – 13:48]: And it said it has an attractive harbour as well. Is that right? You mentioned the harbour.

Marti [13:48 – 14:08]: Yeah. It’s quite small. There’s not really much there. But I mean, the lobster shack, you can sit there on the harbour and have your lobster roll. And it’s quite famous, I think, the lobster shack, I think it’s quite well known. There’s not. I mean, there’s not much there at all, but it’s just such a beautiful place to spend the morning. It’s just lovely.

Dawn [14:09 – 14:15]: Just to unwind. It sounds like it’s just a slow down kind of place. Just let it roll over you.

Marti [14:15 – 14:27]: Yeah, it’s one of those places where you go around the corner and there’s more people on their phones taking photos, and then you go around the corner, more people take. You know, it’s one of those really little cute places, but it’s just beautiful.

Dawn [14:27 – 14:44]: Now, you did send me a couple of photos of you and your family there as well in Ely, was it Ely you were at? Yes, apparently. Again, it’s the green. You mentioned the green, and the photos were beautiful, and there was green everywhere. Can you just tell us a little bit about the photos and what you were doing that day and.

Marti [14:44 – 15:29]: Yes. So that green, actually is just near St. Andrews. So that’s another little town that we stay in called Boar Hills. So we went there for the first time this year. We were looking for Ealy. Ealy was sold out, so it often sells out really quick. But this is a little Airbnb and I think I’ve sent you the link so you could put it in the show notes even. But it’s a really little. It’s not. I don’t even know if you’d call it a village. There’s a few houses and it’s about ten minutes drive from St. Andrews and it’s a little area called Moor Hills. And we send this Airbnb. Absolutely stunning. They had a hammock in the back garden and they had, like, a little fire pit for roasting marshmallows. So lovely. The owners were so lovely.

Dawn [15:29 – 15:32]: Miranda, it says it was horsted by Miranda.

Marti [15:32 – 15:57]: Yeah. Yes. And so child friendly. One of the rooms, you opened the cupboard and it’s packed full of toys, like a full doll house, a full kitchen. So, yeah, it’s a really great place to stay if you have kids because it’s quite peaceful and it’s not too far from anyway. But that little, that image that I sent you with the grass, that’s actually a walk that goes down to a beach.

Dawn [15:58 – 16:10]: Yes. It was an easy walking distance to the sea. So that’s. I can see that you got the grass. Beautiful picture. Chocolate, it’s green. And then you’ve got the blue, and then the blue sky and it’s beautiful.

Marti [16:10 – 17:30]: It is so beautiful. I’m. I’m a little bit of an old lady when it comes to Scotland, really. I’ve turned into my dad, you know, when we were little, my dad would take us to go and see boats and go, oh, look at that boat. That boat’s amazing. It’s got a really loud voice, which is what been transferred to me, clearly. But look at that boat. That boat’s so nice. Look at it. Oh, wouldn’t you love to go and say, no, I don’t want to sit in that boat. And now my little boy, because he’s grown up here, so he know, like, he’s used to Scotland, but to me, I still find everything just so beautiful and, like, walking in the woods, I just am constantly taking pictures. That green just. I took so many pictures of that day. I’ve got so many pictures of the same beaches in Italy, the same villages, you know, in Krail, the same walk that we do when we go to Grail. It’s just so stunning. It’s just such a different view to what you get in Australia. And I’m so pleased that, you know, I’ve been living here for so long, and I still find just everything so beautiful in Scotland. It’s just such a beautiful place to live. Even Edinburgh, you know, when you see the castle all the time, you sort of get used to it. But I’m so grateful that I still, you know, will come down in autumn and see Princess street gardens. And I’m like, oh, I’m so lucky to live here. Just so striking.

Dawn [17:31 – 17:41]: It is. It is a beautiful place. Yeah, I’m biassed, I suppose, but, yeah, no, the photos were. And even the other one you sent me as well, of you and. Is that your husband and you, wee boy?

Marti [17:41 – 17:48]: Yes. So that’s actually on the beach. You get like, a private beach at the caravan park in Ely.

Dawn [17:48 – 17:50]: Oh, right. So it’s like one of the.

Marti [17:50 – 18:36]: Yeah, that. Well, that was actually at nighttime. So we tend to go down in our pyjamas at nighttime to this beach. Yeah, it’s literally. So a lot of the time when we book, we try and book the front pitches. So you’re literally about 20 steps from the beach when you stay there. And it’s your own, like, little private alcove beach, which is just beautiful. I mean, it’s not really amazing for swimming. There’s no waves or anything, but it’s just lovely to go down at nighttime. You can watch the sunset and it’s just such a beautiful, peaceful place. The whole area is just such a beautiful, peaceful place. I mean, there’s the chain walk. That’s not peaceful. And I’m never going to do that because I’m not good with stuff like that, so.

Dawn [18:36 – 18:39]: What’s that? Sorry? The chain walk.

Marti [18:39 – 18:57]: Yeah. So it’s like the coastal. I think it’s called the. Is it the fife? I don’t think it’s called the fife. It’s the coastal chain walk. I think that’s what. Eight, five. Coastal chain walk. That could be what it’s called. Or maybe it’s East Newark, however you pronounce it.

Dawn [18:57 – 19:01]: Oh, the faith coastal walk. Is that to St. Mornans?

Marti [19:01 – 19:07]: Yes. And you. And you follow chains and you go around the rocks. Oh, yeah.

Dawn [19:07 – 19:08]: So you’ve never done that?

Marti [19:09 – 19:13]: Oh, it’s just not for me, Dawn. I can’t deal with things like that.

Dawn [19:15 – 19:21]: Well, there’s a story there, but it takes you to the Ely lighthouse. You pass the Ely lighthouse as well, I think. That one.

Marti [19:21 – 19:27]: Yes, yes. And St. Mounan’s windmill and everything is that way as well.

Dawn [19:28 – 19:43]: And there’s also a ruby bay. It was named after the garnets that were once mined there, and a ladies tower, which was a changing room that was built for the Lady Anne Strother in the 1770 so she could bathe in the floor.

Marti [19:43 – 19:45]: I’ve actually been to that tower.

Dawn [19:45 – 19:46]: Have you?

Marti [19:46 – 20:05]: Yeah, I met. It is beautiful. It is actually really, really beautiful. It’s like an old ruin. But we met some really nice Americans there and they were, like, telling us the whole story of the tower. They like me the whole story. They were driving around in a campervan. They were amazing. See, this is what happens in Scotland.

Dawn [20:05 – 20:17]: You meet everyone on the campervan community is amazing. The way that everybody. We did campervan in once and everybody passed the wave at you and it’s just. Oh, it’s so friendly.

Marti [20:17 – 20:20]: I’d love to do that. I’d love a campervan.

Dawn [20:20 – 20:27]: It was amazing. You just never feel alone because you just feel that somebody would stop if you needed them. They’re just so friendly.

Marti [20:27 – 20:29]: It’s so lovely, isn’t it?

Dawn [20:29 – 20:36]: Isn’t it? Because that was the first time we did. It was a couple of years ago and we didn’t know what was happening. And we’re like, oh, what the hell’s going on?

Marti [20:37 – 20:41]: Why are people waving at me? This is crazy.

Dawn [20:42 – 20:44]: Yeah. It took us a minute.

Marti [20:44 – 20:46]: Oh, I love it.

Dawn [20:46 – 21:01]: But that lady, Anne Strother, apparently she would have. She had a bell toll. She would go down and swim in the fourth and she had the bell toller told the bell, so everybody knew not to go near when she was swimming. She was a right madam by the time.

Marti [21:02 – 21:12]: I love that. There’s so many weird things in Scotland, aren’t there? There’s like so many little. Oh, well, have you heard about Danino Den?

Dawn [21:12 – 21:13]: No.

Marti [21:13 – 21:26]: So this really freaked us out. So my husband, he’s not really into true crime, but he’s into weird stuff, right? Not. That sounds weird now. He’s into, like, mysteries and, you know, that sounded so bad.

Dawn [21:27 – 21:28]: I’m leaving that in.

Marti [21:30 – 21:54]: That’s fine. I’m happy with that. We’ve all got our things. Yeah. Danino den. So it’s nice. St. Andrews. And he found it and he was really interested in it and he was like, we have to go to this place, right? It’s this little den. It’s. It’s an ancient site of druid pagan worship. You’ve heard of it, haven’t you?

Dawn [21:54 – 21:59]: I think there was something that was. Yeah, carry on. It’s. Yeah.

Marti [22:00 – 24:32]: So it’s in a wooded area and it’s just behind the abbey. Right? So it’s quite. It’s in the middle of nowhere, right? So you just go up this big long road, and me and my little boy, so he’s twelve. He was eleven when we went. We were like, I don’t know about this because, you know, I’m true crime background. I just. I’m suspicious of everything. I like peaceful places, but if they’re too peaceful. Nah, I’m not having this. Right, yeah. So you get it. So it’s been around since 4000 BC, which my brain doesn’t compute that that is actually a thing I don’t understand. Yeah, we talk about this all the time on the podcast. Anything BC? No, no. My brain starts. I know they were like cavemen and dinosaurs and all that, right? And then I know that there was like Henry VIII, and that’s the two bits, right? And I don’t know what happened in between. There were things and there were other things, but my brain doesn’t compute those, right? So that really freaks me out. Anyway, so there’s steps to go down to the den, right? So you go into this wooded area, and there’s like little steps. When I say steps, they’re sort of like built into the rock, so they’re sort of hard to get down, but you could get down, right? And there’s like celtic crosses and faces etched into the rocks. So, like, when you google it, they’re real. Like it’s a proper face. It’s not just like, you know when people say it’s etched in and it’s sort of a face, you’re not like, oh, it’s sort of a face. You know, people have like a potato and it looks like Jesus. And you’re like, that doesn’t look like Jesus. So these are like, who knew I’d start talking about potatoes and Jesus? They’re real faces etched into the rock, right? And people leave things there. So when you look down, there’s all ribbons tied to the tree. People leave money, there’s beads. I think there’s other weird stuff left there as well. But when we got there, this is going to sound really weird, but I’m not making this up. So my husband went, and me and my little boy sort of waited, and we were like, I’m not going down there. It’s a bit. Bit freaky. I don’t like it. And he doesn’t really like things like that. So I said, we’ll stay here. We could hear singing. We could actually hear singing. There was no one in the abbey because there was two cars in the car park and one was ours. The abbey was completely quiet and there was like a little. I mean, it’s a little chapel. It’s not really like a big abbey and there’s like a cemetery. It’s really pretty. There was no one around and we could hear singing. And he was like, what’s that singing? I’m like, it’s nothing. But I was freaking out as well. I was like, I’m not sure about this. I don’t like this at all.

Dawn [24:32 – 24:35]: And did your husband hear it from down there?

Marti [24:35 – 25:21]: No, he said he didn’t hear it. But then people started coming back. So there were other people there, but this was different singing to what normal people would have been doing. So we didn’t like it. And we sort of headed back to the car and he kept going. I know it was really creepy because it was so secluded and the woods were so secluded. And there was bells and bells. Woods and bells and singing. Oh, my God. Yeah. It’s the start of a film when everything goes bad and everyone dies. Leave the woods. Leave the woods. Anyway, I mean, it was the middle of the day and it’s just, you know, he went down there and said it was fine, but he did say it was slightly creepy. But he’s, you know, he likes all that sort of weird stuff again. Weird stuff.

Dawn [25:22 – 25:24]: Have you got a photo? Can I see the photo?

Marti [25:25 – 25:30]: I don’t think we took any photos. We should have. I mean, we were so freaked out.

Dawn [25:30 – 25:31]: Yeah.

Marti [25:31 – 27:02]: That we just left. But there is photos of the faces and things on Google, if you go on Google. But it’s just fascinating, like the weed stuff. There’s also pit and weem. So pit and weem’s another, like, little fishing village. Lovely. The chocolate cafe. They’re amazing. Handmade chocolates in, like, mice. Everything you can imagine. Lavender, chocolate. Unbelievable, right. But they have a cave there called St Finian’s Cave. Again, my husband found this. Of course he did. And it’s basically. It’s so weird. So it’s a little. So pit and we. Magen is a little village, fishing village. They have, like a main harbour and they have an old fashioned sweet shop and ice creams and all that sort of stuff. Lovely. And then you sort of go up these windy little paths where people’s houses are really pretty. But in the side of the wall, it’s sort of like rock. Some of the houses sort of built into rock, almost. Right. And in the side of the wall is a little cave which is actually just a padlocked gate. Right in the wall. And you look through the wall and you’re like, what’s that? It’s a cave, right? And apparently it’s said to have been a refuge for Saint Finnian, who lived there for a while. And he wrote sermons by the light of his glowing arm. What the actual hell is that? Okay.

Dawn [27:02 – 27:05]: I didn’t know that was where you were going. He’s arm.

Marti [27:05 – 27:27]: He’s arm. And you can go in there. Right? But this is what’s so weird, and this is what’s amazing about Scotland. You have to go into one of the shops to go and get the key to go into this cave. Yeah, it’s padlocked, but you can go in there. There’s a sign to say. And there’s actually a little altar still in there. That’s like a little shrine to St Finnian. It is amazing.

Dawn [27:28 – 27:34]: You know, I’ve heard of St Finian’s Cave, but I’ve never. I didn’t know anything about it. I had no idea that. That it was.

Marti [27:35 – 27:47]: It’s crazy. Why are there all these weed things in Scotland? I absolutely love them. But, yeah, amazing. And that’s in Pittenweam. Pittenweem is so beautiful. I love Pittenweam. It’s really pretty.

Dawn [27:47 – 27:53]: So all along the east coast, it sounds like there’s loads of little wee villages and. Beautiful.

Marti [27:53 – 28:09]: They’re literally like ten minutes away from each other. St Monan’s is really pretty as well. There’s not loads in St Monan’s. I mean, there’s no glowy arm cave or weird pagan rituals. But they do have the best farm shop in Scotland.

Dawn [28:10 – 28:12]: In Scotland, that is. Yeah.

Marti [28:12 – 28:31]: In Scotland. I know that. Oh, actually, I think I might take that back. It’s pretty good. I haven’t been to all of Scotland, but it’s an amazing farm shop and we always spend. We get to the front and we like. That’s 80 pounds. And we’re like, 80 pounds. What have we bought? But it is amazing.

Dawn [28:31 – 28:33]: The best and most expensive.

Marti [28:33 – 28:59]: The best and most expensive. It’s called Ardross adros farm shop. And it’s just. I mean, it’s really good quality stuff. It’s one of those places where you go in and there’s everything you’ve never seen before. Do you know what I mean? Like giant marshmallows. Oh, we need to make s’mores. Let’s get that. And then there’s like, special jams and, like, fancy bread and they have all the different meats and. But do you know, I mean, it’s expensive. But all farm shops are expensive.

Dawn [28:59 – 29:06]: Well, they also do a festival up there as well, called East Nook Festival. Have you ever heard of that or been to that?

Marti [29:06 – 29:07]: No.

Dawn [29:08 – 29:17]: It’s a registered charity and they raise money each year. They do it every year. Next year it’s on the 26th or 30 June. And it’s just a lot of musicians coming together and just.

Marti [29:18 – 30:43]: I love that. They do a good market there as well, actually. The bowhouse market? Yeah, it’s just near St. Monan’s and it’s the. Now, I’m going to get this wrong, but people can look it up. It’s the first Saturday of the month, or it’s the last Saturday of. And every year when we went there, we just missed it. Like, it’d be. Oh, it’s next weekend. Oh, it was last weekend. We went this year. Absolutely amazing. Do you know what? There was a massive line for a guy just selling sausage rolls. Who knew? Really? Yeah. Amazing. I was talking to a lady selling candles and I was like, what are those people lined up for? Is that like a special thing? I thought it was like bespoke something, you know? No, she’s like, yeah, he’s the sausage roll guy. Oh, God, that sounds such a good market. You’ve got to get there really early because it gets quite parked and they have a whole section in the back for street food. Really? Yeah. So it’s like the whole maker’s market. It’s really big. It’s huge. And a sausage roll guy in the middle and someone selling coffee at the front. Always handy. And then you go to the side and it’s street food. And weirdly, a middle aged guy. I shouldn’t say that. A guy. Do you know what he knows? He’s middle aged. Middle aged guy djing. When I say djing, he’s just like, got a big speaker and he’s playing some music, having a fun time.

Dawn [30:44 – 30:45]: Is it good music?

Marti [30:45 – 30:48]: I mean, it was a bit quiet, so you couldn’t really hear it.

Dawn [30:48 – 30:49]: Okay.

Marti [30:49 – 31:05]: But, you know, people want to talk, so, you know, well done to him. But, yeah, that is an amazing market. Yeah, he’s doing his best. That’s what we’ll say about him. But, yeah, that. That’s a really fantastic market. You could be there for ages.

Dawn [31:05 – 31:16]: I need to tell my sister about that. She loves these kind of things. Yes, we quaint things. So are you planning on visiting again? Any holidays planned? East nuke or ely?

Marti [31:16 – 32:01]: Do you know what? Yeah, I think we’ll probably do it again next summer. It’s one of those places that just has such lovely memories for us because my little boy was so little when we first started going there and I just think it’s just such a peaceful place and we have. We know each little town that we’re going to go to on what day. I mean, we do St Andrews and we do lots of stuff around there as well, but just the little fishing villages. It’s not too far from Edinburgh, it’s not too much of a drive. It’s like an easy three or four days. You could just get away. It’s not too expensive, it’s a lovely thing to do with families and it’s just such a lovely atmosphere there. So, yeah, I think we’ll probably definitely go there next summer as well. Yeah, 100%, definitely.

Dawn [32:01 – 32:08]: It sounds really nice. You’ve painted an amazing picture, honestly, you have. And I’ve never been so. Yeah, I’ve got lots of nice.

Marti [32:08 – 32:19]: You have to go. I mean, you have to go to that weed just for the. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And get some chocolate after you’ve been to see the arm because that cafe. Amazing.

Dawn [32:20 – 32:24]: But you said mice. I was like, I remember the little mice when we were young. Do you remember the little.

Marti [32:25 – 32:33]: Yes. These are more detailed, though, and they have like, cardamom and like, they have amazing flavours. Oh, you’ll spend a fortune there as well.

Dawn [32:33 – 32:33]: See?

Marti [32:33 – 32:38]: Yeah. It’s all around food for me, isn’t it? Food and weed things and money.

Dawn [32:38 – 32:39]: We need to take money with us.

Marti [32:40 – 33:01]: Yes, yes. I mean, it’s not a massively expensive holiday really, either. You could do it fairly cheaply. You could get fish and chips, get an ice cream, you know, sit on the beach. Yeah. Maybe don’t go to the farm shop until the end and see how much money you’ve got left. I have a lot of nice gin, I’ll say that. They have a lot of nice gin.

Dawn [33:02 – 33:05]: You need it by the end because you’ve got to go back home again, haven’t you?

Marti [33:05 – 33:12]: Yeah, exactly. And you need to calm yourself after the pagan. Oh, yeah, the pagan ritual stuff. Yeah.

Dawn [33:12 – 33:17]: I don’t think I would go there, but I’m curious if. I’m going to have a look at the faces, though. I want to see what that looks like.

Marti [33:17 – 33:32]: It’s so interesting. I mean, I understand why people go there. It’s really, really fascinating and it’s a very peaceful area, so I sort of understand it. It’s not meant to be creepy. I think it’s just me. I read a lot of books. I watch a lot of true crime. So.

Dawn [33:32 – 33:38]: Got a podcast. So my murder podcast. So, yeah, yeah. Your imagination must be going wild.

Marti [33:38 – 33:42]: I mean, you’re the same, so. Yeah, I understand.

Dawn [33:42 – 33:47]: Alyssa Marie, it’s been an absolute pleasure speaking to you. Thanks for sharing, Easton.

Marti [33:48 – 33:55]: Thanks for having me. I get very passionate and very excited when I talk about these places.

Dawn [33:55 – 34:11]: I’m trying not. I’m trying to stay calm because when I get passionate and excited, I talk like 100 miles an hour and nobody can understand what I say. I just try and keep it calm. I know. It’s been a pleasure. So can you tell everybody how they can find you on socials and your pod?

Marti [34:11 – 34:31]: Yes. Thank you. So we are at mumsmysteries and murder on Instagram and you can find us everywhere. You get your podcast for mums mysteries and murder, whether you’re apple, your Google, all the places, Spotify everywhere. And we have a very exciting episode coming up very soon.

Dawn [34:32 – 34:34]: Ooh. Can you give us any clues?

Marti [34:35 – 34:54]: Well, it’s actually someone in Australia who has been all over the news. Do you know, we had another episode set up and we’ve recorded this episode today, actually, this woman was arrested on Friday. So it’s very, very new. We’ve never covered a case that recent happening.

Dawn [34:54 – 35:00]: So is it somebody that’s been murdered in the past and, like, somebody’s just been arrested now or is it just all happening now?

Marti [35:00 – 35:10]: No, it happened in July, July of this year. It’s actually Erin Patterson and she’s known as the mushroom murderer.

Dawn [35:10 – 35:12]: Oh. Oh, yeah.

Marti [35:13 – 35:31]: Very interesting. It’s an australian case, though. This one’s australian. So we take turns. For people that haven’t listened to the podcast, we take turns. So I’ll do the australian episode and then Effie will do a scottish story the month after. So we sort of take turns. So it’s a bit of a mixture, but yeah, very, very interesting case.

Dawn [35:36 – 38:51]: So that was my conversation with Marti. But let me tell you a few more things about the Ely and Errols ferry area. According to outaboutscotland.com, comma, East Nuke is an area of 40 sq mi and is known for its scenic coastline and pretty fishing villages, with Pittenweem, Anstruther and Crail having particularly attractive harbours. And according to Lovefromscotland, Co dot UK, Ely and errolsferry is a quintessential scottish seaside village and popular holiday destination. If you like water sports, then there’s the east nuke outdoors, which is a family run outdoor activity centre on Fife’s east coast in cellar Dyke by Anstruther and it offers a range of outdoor activities including kayaking, canoeing, archery, paddle boarding and axe throwing, with activities for individuals or all the family, and is located a 15 minutes drive north east of Ely and Errolsferry. If this sounds like something you’d like to try, you can find out more from east nukeoutdoors dot co dot UK now Marti mentioned so many food recommendations, but according to scottish spill dot co dot UK comma, an early seafood product from east nuke was the Creo Caprin, which is sun dried haddock and a couple of fun facts are that a small pictish dwelling near Elsferry was discovered in 1923 when a tractor fell through its roof and the 1997 film the Winter Guest, which starred Emma Thompson and was directed by Alan Rickman, was filmed in Ely and Errolsferry. Now I did mention the East Nuke festival when I was talking to Marti, but here’s a wee bit more about it. It has been taking place since 2004, when Donald and Louise Macdonald had the seed of an idea and believed that live music could not only bring joy, but could transform lives and connect people from those in the community to professional and new musicians. With the inspiration behind the festival being taken from the landscape, heritage and history of the area and attendance over the years has grown to an estimated 25,000, with some of the comments on the website from people who have attended saying that there superb music and a friendly atmosphere, while another said that there was wonderful music in a magical setting and that they received a warm welcome in 2024. The East Nuke festival will take place from the 26th to the 30 June and you can find out more information about the East Nuke festival as well as see the full programme for 2024 by visiting east nukefestival.com. Marti also mentioned in our conversation about a case that mums mysteries in murder would be covering. It was a murder that took place in July 2023 and the suspected murderer Erin Patterson, who is known as the mushroom murderer, was arrested late in 2023 at the time of the recording. So if you’re new to the Mums Mysteries and Murder podcast and want to listen, then I’d recommend starting with that episode. A link to the Mums mysteries and murder podcast, as well as to everything mentioned in this episode will be in the show notes as well as on our website cluarantonn.com/scottishdigest. So we hope you’ve enjoyed this episode and my chat with Marti and join us next time for another wee slice of bonnie Scotland.